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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity
- From: "K Randolph" <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
- To: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity
- Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:15:04 -0700
Yigal:
I agree that the New Testament was written to a largely Greek speaking
audience of mixed diaspora Jews and others, but what I am focusing on
is the source of the theology that guided the writing of the New
Testament, and that was not LXX. The only diaspora writer was Luke.
The rest were either from Judea and Galilee or grew up there thus
their reference was the Hebrew Tanakh, not the Greek LXX.
I suspect that their use of the LXX, where they may have used it, is
the same as my use of an English translation of Tanakh: where it
agrees with what I know of the Hebrew text, it is quicker and easier
to use the efforts of others, but where it disagrees with the Hebrew
text, I follow the Hebrew text instead of the translation. And I will
point out that difference to my audience.
As for the text of the New Testament, it looks as if what we call the
Byzantine tradition was the result of an early practice of textual
criticism that preserved even some examples of dialectal differences
between Judean and Galilean pronunciation that was lost in mms such as
Sinaiticus. And when we look at what the texts say, even including all
variants, there is almost no change in meaning so it is very likely we
have, for all intents and purposes, the original teachings as written
by the original authors. As for who wrote which books of the New
Testament, that's tradition that goes back to the first century, so it
is most likely accurate.
Karl W. Randolph.
On 9/24/05, Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il> wrote:
This is all assuming a lot. Many scholars assume that the "Hebrew" of
Matthew was really Aramaic, and there is really no proof at all that the
rest of the gospels or Acts were written by native speakers of Hebrew.
Remember, that many western Diaspora Jews, in places like Alexandria and all
of Paul's synagogues/churches (Rome, Galatia, certainly places like Corinth)
were really native speakers of Greek, who may have known some Hebrew. Of
course, there were also many learned people who knew Hebrew, but the whole
point of translating the Bible into Greek, back in the 3rd or 2nd centuries
BCE, was to provide a text for Greek-speaking Jews.
But beyond all this - the question is not what the Apostles spoke. The
question is what the intended audience of the NT read and spoke. This was
Greek. So the authors of the NT, and in fact even before them, the first
Jesus-followers who used the OT to try to convince Greek-spaking Jews and
gentiles of Jesus' messianity, quite naturally would use the availible Greek
translation. This was the LXX (or something very close to what we today call
the LXX). Josephus, who certainly knew Hebrew, did the same: his quotes of
the Bible are very close to what we today call the LXX. There was probably
not a single "authorised" version of the "Christian"-Greek text until the
Church was reorganized in the 4th century CE.
Yigal Levin
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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity
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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 09/21/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity,
K Randolph, 09/22/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 09/23/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity,
Rolf Furuli, 09/24/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity,
Rolf Furuli, 09/25/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity, Yonah Mishael, 09/25/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity, Peter Kirk, 09/25/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity,
Rolf Furuli, 09/25/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity,
Rolf Furuli, 09/24/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 09/23/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity,
K Randolph, 09/22/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity,
Yigal Levin, 09/24/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity,
K Randolph, 09/24/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity,
Yigal Levin, 09/25/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity, K Randolph, 09/25/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity,
Yigal Levin, 09/25/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity,
K Randolph, 09/24/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 09/21/2006
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