Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Seth Knorr <ftbaccounts AT yahoo.com>]

Steve, 
   
  I would have to disagree with you. I do believe that this prophecy deals 
with a specific time frame. Each week equals 7 years. This can be backed up 
by Genesis 29:27, where week refers specifically and undeniable to 7 years.
   
  Sincerely,
   
  Seth Knorr
   
  
Steve Miller <smille10 AT sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
  
> From: K Randolph Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:41 PM
> 
> Steve:
> 
> What you mention below is the most common pattern that I have
> discovered. But like any linguistic pattern, there are exceptions to
> the rule, and there are some where I have no idea how they fit any
> pattern. The majority of such terms I have yet to analyse. There may
> be other rules that I have yet to discover.
[Steve Miller] thanks Karl
> 
> As for the seven sevens and 62 sevens, were they concurrent with one
> ending before the other, or did one follow the other? The text can be
> read either way, though I think the concurrent reading is preferable.

[Steve Miller] I can't say for sure that the concurrent reading is not
possible, but surely it is not preferable. Reasons the sequential is
preferable are:
1) The 70 weeks are composed of 7 weeks, 62 weeks and 1 week, which add up
logically to 70. The concurrent interpretation has 62 weeks and 1 week. The
intervening 7 weeks are not mentioned and need to be assumed.
2) You require that there are 2 annointed one, rulers, but both words are
singular. 
3) xxxx years and xxxx years is common in Tanach as a way of expressing that
the years should be added together. (i.e. Gen 5:5,7,8). Here the base is 7,
so separating out 49 years is like separating out 100 years.
> 
> My understanding is that when a time interval with a number is
> mentioned in Tanakh, that it meant exactly that time interval. Other
> intervals, without a number, may be expanded or contracted, include
> gaps or whatsuch, but not a numbered sequence. To have a seventieth
> seven break free and be floating therefore does not make sense.

[Steve Miller] The 70 weeks are not a time interval. They are the time which
God divided to Daniel's people to accomplish 6 purposes. They are not a time
from until . Within the 70 weeks there are 2 explicit
time intervals: 
1)from the word to restore Jerusalem until an anointed one, a ruler, 7 weeks
and 62 weeks; 
2)A covenant confirmed for 1 week.
-Steve Miller
Detroit
www.voiceinwilderness.info


_______________________________________________
b-hebrew mailing list
b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew


                
---------------------------------
Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ 
countries) for 2¢/min or less.
>From leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il  Sat Sep 16 23:33:21 2006
Return-Path: <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>
X-Original-To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Delivered-To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Received: from mtaout3.012.net.il (mtaout3.012.net.il [84.95.2.7])
        by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A354C008
        for <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:33:20 -0400 
(EDT)
Received: from xp ([84.95.113.109])
        by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12)
        with SMTP id <0J5P00IKMW8M1AC0 AT i_mtaout3.012.net.il> for
        b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 06:26:55 +0300 (IDT)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 06:32:33 +0200
From: Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>
To: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-id: <004101c6da12$4ba83860$a8eb15ac@xp>
MIME-version: 1.0
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869
Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
        reply-type=original
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-priority: Normal
References: <acd782170609151259l6f446538y2854a6364b2b1e29 AT mail.gmail.com>
        <007501c6d92b$16479950$6401a8c0@Averatec3250>
        <acd782170609160850q74579575m3085eda2f9f3c26d AT mail.gmail.com>
        <006501c6d9eb$aa51fe40$640fa8c0@Villandra2>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Dates of Ezra and Nehemiah
X-BeenThere: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8
Precedence: list
List-Id: Biblical Hebrew Forum <b-hebrew.lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew>,
        <mailto:b-hebrew-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/b-hebrew>
List-Post: <mailto:b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Help: <mailto:sympa AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=HELP>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew>,
        <mailto:b-hebrew-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 03:33:21 -0000

Hello Dora,

The only "historical context" is that created by the editor of the book, 
which was neither Ezra or Nehemiah.
As far as "their role in selection of the Jewish scriptures", there is no 
hint of this in those scriptures themselves. The rabbis living over 700 
years later attributed to Ezra what was in reality a centuries-long process 
of canonization, as a way of giving "prophetic" authority to what they had 
come to consider the only acceptible canon.

Yigal Levin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dora Smith" <villandra AT austin.rr.com>
> Does it matter?  The two of them place themselves in historical context. 
> I
> would think that their admission of their role in selection of the Jewish
> scriptures as we know them, and of creating Judaism as we know it, would 
> be
> more important than the exact date when they did it.
>
> Yours,
> Dora Smith
> Austin, TX
> tiggernut24 AT yahoo.com
>
>
>
> -- 
> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006
>
> _______________________________________________
> b-hebrew mailing list
> b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew
>