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  • From: Peter Kirk <peter AT qaya.org>
  • To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] daughters jacob never spoke of
  • Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:57:52 +0100

On 23/06/2006 03:36, Harold Holmyard wrote:
... (quoting the official list guidelines)
Please honor the following guidelines in all your contributions:
• Debate that forces particular faith or doctrinal perspectives onto a reading of the text is not appropriate subject matter for this forum.
• Proselytizing ("seeking to convert someone to a certain religious faith") is also not appropriate. Naturally, each of us will share our own understanding from our own perspective, but this should not be done with the goal of changing other participants. ...

It seems to me that Shoshanna has been persistently breaching the first of these two guidelines with her insistence on reading the text in the light of the so-called "Oral Torah", whose existence (at least from earlier than late the Second Temple period) and authority is her faith and doctrinal perspective. While she has not been openly proselytising, the way that she has been arguing for her position reads rather like trying to convert others to her faith position. Attempts to convert anyone to Christianity would rightly be rejected on this list. A similar position should be taken on Shoshanna's propaganda for her own brand of Judaism.

As for John's mention of Hillel, it seems from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillel_the_Elder that remarkably little is known about him and his teaching. Maybe Jesus did take some of his teaching; on the other hand, if as this page suggests Hillel was the head of the Pharisees in Jesus' time or shortly before, why were they following Shammai's teaching when Jesus confronted them? On the other hand, it just might be that the Pharisees accepted some of Jesus' teaching, but because they had rejected Jesus as a person (not for his teaching but for his claim to be the Son of God) they attributed the teaching they had accepted to the late and venerated Hillel. But it is interesting to read that Hillel may have been the inventor of the doner kebab!

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Peter Kirk
E-mail: peter AT qaya.org
Blog: http://speakertruth.blogspot.com/
Website: http://www.qaya.org/





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