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  • From: "Herman Meester" <crazymulgogi AT gmail.com>
  • To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] hell
  • Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:40:52 +0100

Dear Shoshanna,

That's exactly what I mean. When I said "Hebrew Bible" I was talking
about the Written Tora, and as a matter of fact I do believe, if
believe is the right word to use here, in the Oral Tora - no loss here
;). I don't think we can use the word Bible for the Oral Tora, because
Bible means "books".

I guess we kind of agree then.

regards
Herman


2006/3/15, Shoshanna Walker <rosewalk AT concentric.net>:
> The reason that you can't find the idea of eternal life for the soul
> in the "Hebrew" "biblical corpus", is because it is not there, in
> the written Torah, it is in the Oral Torah, which is not something
> that you believe in - your loss.
>
> Shoshanna
>
>
>
>
> I agree, the various notions exist side by side without cancelling each
> other.
> However, the idea of eternal life whether for good or for bad (heaven
> or hell) seems to be a novelty of the Hellenistic time that is not
> there in the oldest/ most classic parts of the Hebrew biblical corpus
> (of which Daniel isn't a part: Daniel is a rather Hellenistic text).
>
>
> 2006/3/14, George Athas <george.athas AT moore.edu.au>:
> > We must note that the concepts of 'heaven' and 'hell' in Judaism did not
> > replace the concept of Sheol (the 'Underworld'). As Dan 12.1-3 shows, the
> > notions of everlasting life and everlasting condemnation supplemented the
> > notion of Sheol by placing an eschatological judgement day into the scheme
> > of things. This universal judgement day was came after Sheol. Thus, it is
> > correct to say that Sheol should be understood apart from the notion of
> > 'hell'.
> >
> > We should also recognize that some groups did not recognize anything more
> > beyond Sheol (eg, Sadducees). For them, Sheol was the final frontier.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > GEORGE ATHAS
> >
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