Biblical Hebrew Forum

[David P Donnelly <davedonnelly1 AT juno.com>]

Yigal Levin writes:

>>>
Good question. Why is the yod in most accurances of YHWH, when supposedly
meant to be vocalized "Adonai", spelled with a shewa and not a
hataph-patah,
like the aleph in Adonai? Don't know. I don't think that it has to do
with
the Aramaic Shema - that is a Samaritan tradition, which I doubt would
have
influenced the masoretes. 

Besides, in most prints (but not in BHS), the he in YHWH has a holam, 
like the dalet in Adonai (this is the source of the pronunciation
"Jehovah").
>>>

There are a small number of  KJVO Christians,
who believe that the vowel points of  Y:HOWFH,
are the actual vowel points of God's name.

They defend the name "Jehovah" 
because they note correctly,
that Y:HOWFH does not have the precise vowel points of "Adonay".

They specifically point out that while the yod in Y:EHOWIH does have a
composite shewa
[e.g. a hatefh-segol] under it,
the yod in Y:HOWFH  has a simple shewa under it.

Thus they insist that since the Masoretes did not place the hatef-patah
from Adonay
under the yod in Y:HOWFH, 
that Y:HOWFH [translated as Jehovah] is actually God's name.

Dave Donnelly
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On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 12:09:22 +0100 "Read, James C"
<K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk> writes:






George wrote:
What you have cited as "well documented" is fairly obviously isolated
anecdotal information to which I could, if I were so inclined, respond
with equally isolated anecdotal information indicating precisely the
opposite.  I am unconvinced that there is any position maintained by a
major university such as St. Andrews which requires one to compromise his
principles.  Unless James Read can supply something other than nebulous
claims that this has occurred in his case, I must believe that his claims
are pure "baloney" being used as an excuse for either his unwillingness
to study the required material or his inability to master that material.
We could undoubtedly continue this discussion with claims and
counterclaims for 20 or more iterations, but I am not Peter Kirk and have
no intention to carry any discussion which seems bound to be fruitless to
such an extreme.

JCR: I don't know how I ended up on your judgement seat but allow me to
defend myself. At St. Andrews all 
queries of my nature were to be taken up with a certain gentleman whose
name escapes me at the moment. I had 
to make an appointment to see him and waited outside in the corridor when
it was my time.

After waiting for a while a girl came out crying and I was invited in. He
asked me if she was still crying and when 
I answered 'Yes' he snapped 'Silly girl!'. The man was already in a bit
of a temper with whatever had happened with 
the other student but nevertheless I tried to explain my case. I tried to
explain that my intention was only to study 
the languages and that was why I had opted for classical Greek rather
than NT Greek. I explained that even though 
the Hebrew half of my degree had been presented as a linguistic MA I was
expected to get involved in theological 
modules which had a better place in a Divinity degree. He immediately
snapped at  me and said that no such exceptions 
could be made. I offered to do the higher level linguistic modules in
their place but he was unwilling to listen to me.

At this point I started to notice that the man was very irritable and I
asked him if he liked his job. He snapped that he 
was sick of divinity students and expressed his desire that he should not
have to deal with these issues. He viewed 
all divinity students as religious fanatics and in his opinion
universities should have no place for Divinity faculties. 
I tried to get on his good side by explaining that my reason for wanting
to be excluded from these modules was that 
like him I wished to avoid futile theological debates and discussions so
that my time could be wiser spent studying 
the original languages objectively. He was in no way swayed and got me
out of his office as fast as possible. The 
divinity school's position was that this man was the final word for all
modular queries in the whole university and 
that there was nothing they could do about it.

As a final note, George, I should be careful about throwing accusations
of lying around. Some people might find them 
offensive on a personal level. And I am sure that Peter hasn't
appreciated your comments either. At least Peter is 
capable of formulating a good argument based on proofs rather than
resorting to name calling.

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I note that you still have failed to address the question of why you feel
that you would need to compromise your beliefs by taking certain courses.
 Until and unless you do so, my mind remains unchanged.

george
gfsomsel
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