Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>]

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George wrote:
What you have cited as "well documented" is fairly obviously isolated
anecdotal information to which I could, if I were so inclined, respond
with equally isolated anecdotal information indicating precisely the
opposite.  I am unconvinced that there is any position maintained by a
major university such as St. Andrews which requires one to compromise his
principles.  Unless James Read can supply something other than nebulous
claims that this has occurred in his case, I must believe that his claims
are pure "baloney" being used as an excuse for either his unwillingness
to study the required material or his inability to master that material.
We could undoubtedly continue this discussion with claims and
counterclaims for 20 or more iterations, but I am not Peter Kirk and have
no intention to carry any discussion which seems bound to be fruitless to
such an extreme.

JCR: I don't know how I ended up on your judgement seat but allow me to 
defend myself. At St. Andrews all 
queries of my nature were to be taken up with a certain gentleman whose name 
escapes me at the moment. I had 
to make an appointment to see him and waited outside in the corridor when it 
was my time.
 
After waiting for a while a girl came out crying and I was invited in. He 
asked me if she was still crying and when 
I answered 'Yes' he snapped 'Silly girl!'. The man was already in a bit of a 
temper with whatever had happened with 
the other student but nevertheless I tried to explain my case. I tried to 
explain that my intention was only to study 
the languages and that was why I had opted for classical Greek rather than NT 
Greek. I explained that even though 
the Hebrew half of my degree had been presented as a linguistic MA I was 
expected to get involved in theological 
modules which had a better place in a Divinity degree. He immediately snapped 
at  me and said that no such exceptions 
could be made. I offered to do the higher level linguistic modules in their 
place but he was unwilling to listen to me.
 
At this point I started to notice that the man was very irritable and I asked 
him if he liked his job. He snapped that he 
was sick of divinity students and expressed his desire that he should not 
have to deal with these issues. He viewed 
all divinity students as religious fanatics and in his opinion universities 
should have no place for Divinity faculties. 
I tried to get on his good side by explaining that my reason for wanting to 
be excluded from these modules was that 
like him I wished to avoid futile theological debates and discussions so that 
my time could be wiser spent studying 
the original languages objectively. He was in no way swayed and got me out of 
his office as fast as possible. The 
divinity school's position was that this man was the final word for all 
modular queries in the whole university and 
that there was nothing they could do about it.
 
As a final note, George, I should be careful about throwing accusations of 
lying around. Some people might find them 
offensive on a personal level. And I am sure that Peter hasn't appreciated 
your comments either. At least Peter is 
capable of formulating a good argument based on proofs rather than resorting 
to name calling.

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Subject: [b-hebrew] gutturals  and composite shewa
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Kelton Graham asked:

>>>
Hey is there a rule that only gutterals can have composite shewa?
>>>

Go to the Link shown below:
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Grammar/grammar.html
Click on [Unit Two: The Vowels]
Click on [A-Type Vowels]
It says:
“The Chateph Patach is sometimes called a “half vowel” and is the
shortest of all vowels:
 it can only appear under the guttural letters (and is usually part of
the following syllable). ”

Go back and click on [E-Type Vowels]
It says:
“The Chateph Segol is sometimes called a “half vowel” and is the shortest
of all vowels:
it can only appear under the guttural letters.”

Then check the second occurrence of YHWH in Judges 16:28,
and you will find that there is a composite shewa [e.g. Hatef-Segol]
under the yod,
which is not a guttural letter.

Apparently rules were meant to be broken.

Dave Donnelly



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<DIV>Kelton Graham&nbsp;asked:</DIV>
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<DIV>Hey is there a rule that only gutterals can have composite 
shewa?&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>
<P>Go to the Link shown below:</P><U><FONT color=#0000ff>
<P></U></FONT><A 
href="http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Grammar/grammar.html";><U><FONT 
color=#0000ff>http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Grammar/grammar.html</U></FONT></A></P>
<P>Click on [Unit Two: The Vowels]</P>
<P>Click on [A-Type Vowels]</P>
<P>It says:</P>
<P>“The Chateph Patach is sometimes called a “half vowel” and is the shortest 
of 
all vowels:</P>
<P>&nbsp;it can <I>only</I> appear under the <B>guttural letters </B>(and is 
usually part of the following syllable). ”</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Go back and click on [E-Type Vowels]</P>
<P>It says:</P>
<P>“The Chateph Segol is sometimes called a “half vowel” and is the shortest 
of 
all vowels: </P>
<P>it can <I>only</I> appear under the <B>guttural letters</B>.” </P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Then check the second occurrence of YHWH in Judges 16:28,</P>
<P>and you will find that there is a composite shewa [e.g. Hatef-Segol] under 
the yod,</P>
<P>which is not a guttural letter.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Apparently rules were meant to be broken.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Dave Donnelly</P>
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