Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Dave Washburn <dwashbur AT nyx.net>]

Yes.  The clauses in question are as follows:

             וַיַּשְׁכִּ֣ימוּ בַבֹּ֔קֶר וְהִנֵּ֥ה כֻלָּ֖ם פְּגָרִ֥ים מֵתִֽים

The nearest antecedent for the plural subject is the Assyrians, but it's 
fairly apparent that they didn't wake up since they were dead.  Truth be 
told, there isn't a good candidate for the subject of וַיַּשְׁכִּ֣ימוּ in the 
general vicinity of this verse.  So perhaps that qualifies as one of James' 
passages with ambiguous subjects.

On Wednesday 10 August 2005 15:53, Ben Crick wrote:
> On Wed 10 Aug 2005 (10:56:34), dwashbur AT nyx.net wrote:
> > A much better example of ambiguous subjects would be that wonderful
> > verse in  Kings - I can't seem to find it right now but I'm not near
> > any resources and  am just doing this off the top of my head, so to
> > speak - where YHWH killed a  whole enemy army during the night, and the
> > KJV gives that delightful  rendering that goes something like "When
> > they awoke in the morning, they were  all dead."  As the German soldier
> > said in the movie "Bedknobs and  Broomsticks," ein gute Trick!
>
>  2 Kings 19:35 = Isaiah 37:36
>
>  Oh, and it's ein guter Trick.
>
>  Shalom
>  Ben

-- 
Dave Washburn
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In Gen22:13 Abraham names a place YHWHYireh. In BHS this is pointed as 
Y:HWaHYiR)eH. Do we know where this 
place was? Has the name of the place been preserved? Is this pointing 
original or a masoretic substitution?

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We learn from a Midrash:

"The original name of the place was Shalem - the name given it by
Shem, son of Noah - whom the sages identify with Malchitzedek, king
of Jerusalem.  After the Akeidah, Abraham called it Yireh.  In
deference to both Shem and Abraham, G-d synthesized both names and
called it Yerushalayim"

Shoshanna


>In Gen22:13 Abraham names a place YHWHYireh. In BHS this is pointed
>as Y:HWaHYiR)eH. Do we know where this
>place was? Has the name of the place been preserved? Is this
>pointing original or a masoretic substitution?
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