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["Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>]

This is an interesting observation. And if you are correct,this would 
mean that Yah is the original source of such temptations.

What biblical/traditional evidences lead you to such a firm conclusion?


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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?
 
Satan is an angel created by G-d, its purpose is to tempt mankind to 
do evil, ie; disobey G-d

Shoshanna





When I say 'fallen' I do not mean 'no longer resident in heaven', I mean
'rebelled from his original purpose'.

The original serpent, the one called devil and satan, was never purposed
by Yah and his purpose for Adam and Eve was for them to be obedient and
to live eternally and fill the earth with their offspring.
Man's fall came about by HaSatan's will *not* by Yah's, according to Genesis.

Trasition would have it that Job was authored by Moshe just as was the Torah
and I have no reason to doubt it. It carries all the hallmarks of an ancient
piece and there is no evidence that such hallmarks are intelligent tricks of
a later author.
It seems that there is a conspiracy theory behind the authorship of every book
in the bible.
The problem is that once all the useful things have been studied in order to
gain a Phd one has to do an 'original' piece of work and so there is 
no surprise
that great minds have applied themselves to creating and supporting 
all kinds of
conspiracy theories.

I wonder in 2,000 years if there will be conspiracy theories about 
the true author
of the Harry Potter books???

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Sent: Fri 8/5/2005 5:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?

HaSatan is an angel

Angels have no free choice, they exist to serve G-d, when an angel's
job is done, it ceases to exist

Shoshanna




ummm--- Job does no such thing.  In fact, haSatan has access to God- is
questioned by God and answers most respectably, and is given orders by
God which he is to carry out.  He is no "fallen angel"- he is in the
council of God.  to eisegete angelology into Job is a tremendous
exegetical mistake.

>Furthermore, your current understanding of 2Sam 24 does not make
>sense if we are to
>understand it as a chain of events.
>
>1) Yah gets angry
>2) He gets David to commit a sin
>
>The following questions arise:
>1) Why did Yah get angry?
>
>

David ticked him off- so he wanted to get even.

>2) Surely if we are to understand that he got angry before the sin
>then there must have been another
>reason for his anger. What was that reason?
>
>

david's whole manner of being perhaps?  his greed, lust, murderousness,
name it.

>3) If so, did Yah get David to sin just because he was already angry
>about something else?
>4) Does this line of thinking have any logic what-so-ever?
>
>

what are you looking for logic for?  the narrative is as little
concerned with logic as (insert name of any politician here) is.

Jim


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