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["Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>]

I just wanted to see if Vadim had anything worth saying.
Anyway, the matter still has not been concluded and there is evidently still 
more evidence to be considered. www.divinename.no has a nice image of an 
Egyptian
carving with the name pronounced as YeHuaH.


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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] YHWH pronunciation- Have we beat the horse dead yet?
 
Are we making any progress here at all?  Really?  Or are we getting 
these dozens of emails each day that are taking up bandwidth and 
providing lots of smoke but not much light to no purpose?  I beg you, 
please, please, .....


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Thanx. What do you think? Do you think that the legend refers to Nimrod
and the story came from a migrating family of nomads from ANE to FE?

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I have two books, "The Discovery of Genesis" by C.H. Kang 
and Ethel R. Nelson, and "Genesis and the Mystery Confucius 
Couldn't Solve" by Ethel R. Nelson and Richard E. Broadberry. 
Both published by Concordia Publishing House.

Karl W. Randolph.

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From: "Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>

> 
> 
> Do you have any resources I can refer to about the Chinese 
> characters you mentioned?
> I would really like to be able to study them in depth.
> 
> I don't think that the Japanese came from the lost tribes of 
> Isreal. Legend says they
> came from a Chinese nautical mission where the group were sent out 
> to find a paradise
> island the Chinese Emporer had heard about. They were not to come 
> back unsuccessful
> under pain of death.
> 
> When I mentioned the similarities with Semitic roots I was more 
> thinking of a family
> which migrated from the ANE to China and then a group that settles in Japan.
> That the Japanese and the Chinese are related is undoubted.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of Karl Randolph
> 
> Don't take too much importance on the shape of Chinese
> characters. The modern square characters resemble the
> original forms about as much as the modern square Hebrew
> letters resemble the forms found on the Gezar Calendar.
> However, in both cases, we have intermediate forms that
> show us how they changed.
> 
> Having said that, even in modern characters, the character
> for "create" has a stroke meaning life or living, attached
> to the form meaning dirt, over a mouth (shorthand for
> person) enclosed in walking, translation: living dirt is
> a walking (adult) person. The character for "ship" is an
> eight person vessel (Noah's ark had eight persons). The
> character for "devil" is a living thing in the cultivated
> garden moving around secretly. In fact, much of the first
> eleven chapters of Genesis can be found in the stories told
> by how the characters are constructed. These characters all
> predate Christian missionaries. If one looks at the earlier
> character forms, more parallels to Genesis can be
> recognized.
> 
> As for the Japanese, I have seen indications from other
> sources saying that the Japanese connection to the Middle
> East was from about the Roman period, not the "lost tribes".
> Jews that got to Japan could have been from either of the
> two major Jewish revolts, either as Roman slaves or
> refugees. There are Chinese with family traditions claiming
> Jewish ancestry from about the Roman period and later.
> 
> Karl W. Randolph.

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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] YHWH pronunciation
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A native speaker of modern Hebrew would vocalize YHWH as the verb Yehaveh,
3rd person sing. masc. niph'al of HYH/HWH, meaning somthing like "will
constitute" (as opposed to the qal Yihyeh, "will be"). He would only assume
YHWH to be the Divine Name if it were written in context of scripture or
prayer, and then he would vocalize either "Adonai" or "Hashem". The only
Israelis, including those who are not religiously observant, who would
vocalize "Yahweh" or the like are those who studied Bible in a non-Israeli
and non-Jewish academic institution.

By the way, many modern Jewish, and especially Israeli, Bibles and paryer
books leave the Tetragrammaton undotted, precisely to show that the vowels
added by the Mesorah are not intended to be vocalized.



Yigal
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>
> I do not wish to belabor the point, but many Jews today read unpointed
> (voweless) texts with complete comprehension, and this was the case even
before
> the revival of Hebrew as a spoken language in Israel.
>
> So, would the average  Tsabra instinctively know how to  pronounce YHWH
> correctly?
>
> Solomon Landers
>
> In a message dated 08/02/2005 10:54:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk writes:
>
> As with all  other verbs instincts would have guided a first language
hebrew
> to the  correct pronunciation.
> This is why the texts never needed a vowel  system.
>
>
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