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["Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>]

Also Jeremiah's prophecy "No more will they say, 'The ark of Yahoweh's 
covenant!
' nor will it come up into the heart, nor will they remember it or miss it, 
and no 
more will it be made Jer 3:16 could show either a prophecy that the ark would 
not 
return with the exiled isrealites or that the Ark was already 
missing/desroyed in 
his day.

Just out of interest. Where did you read/hear that there was a replacement?


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Maybe your expertise can help me with this question...

I have read somewhere that when the curtain covering the entrance to the 
Most Holy was torn in two, in the first century CE, the Most Holy was 
exposed containing no Ark of the Covenant. In place of the Ark was a stone 
slab upon which the high priest sprinkled the blood on the Day of Atonement.

I know the last mention of the Ark of the Covenant is in 2. Chronicles 35:5, 
saying:
He said to the Levites, who instructed all Israel and who had been 
consecrated to YHWH: "Put the sacred ark in the temple that Solomon son of 
David king of Israel built. It is not to be carried about on your 
shoulders."

This happened around 642 (?) BCE.

And now the question...
Do we know that the Ark of the Covenant was replaced by a stone slab?

If so...
Who writes about it?
Do we know when this was done?
Do we know what the stone slab looked like?

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I have read that the chinese character for flood is composed of other 
charcters which literally mean '8 people in a boat'.

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Besides "Yao" in my previous link, I think one can see a great many
commonalities with regards to the Chinese scriptures and other cultures
scriptures/histories.  IMHO

-patrick

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The following link provides a history of the Chinese:

http://www.threekingdoms.com/history.htm#2_3_1

It states that:

 All accounts, however, agree that the basin of the Yellow River was the
cradle of the Chinese culture, and that their ancestors were a nomadic
people who, some five or six thousand years ago, migrated from the
north-western part of Asia and finally settled in the northern-central part
of what is now China.

END QUOTE

This could well have been a migrating family descendent of one of Noah's
three children.

It goes on to speak of a legend:

2. Mythological Era
(BC 5000-2200)

2.1. Age of the Three Divine Rulers

Given the first rank among the chieftains is Fuxi, or "Conqueror of
Animals." He taught his subjects how to catch animals and fish with nets and
to rear domestic animals for food. He is also the originator of the writing
system which, with their improvements and modifications of ages, has been
handed down to us in the form of the modern Chinese characters. 

END QUOTE

Could this be Nimrod? Nimrod the great hunter in opposition to Yahoweh? The
strokes of Chinese writings seem
to have a lot in common with the strokes we see in cuneiform tablets and
this could explain why so many Japanese words seem to come from semitic
roots.


Any thoughts?

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Venturing outside the HB canon, the first thing we come across is 2. 
Maccabees stating that Jeremiah hid the ark in a cave east of the Jordan 
before the Babylonians destroyed the temple, and that Jeremiah said "the 
place will remain unknown until God brings his people together again and lets 
righteousness reign" (2 Macc 2,7-8 in my own feeble reproduction of a Danish 
translation). Whether this prophecy in the eyes of 2 Macc would most likely 
refer to the return from the exile in the late 6th century BCE or to an 
escathological situation, I'm not sure.

I *think* (please correct me) there's a rabbinic tradition that the ark is 
hidden somewhere under the temple mound and that therefore the shekinah still 
dwells at the same place. But is this hiding associated with the destruction 
of the first or second temple?

kol tuv
Soren

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> 
> Maybe your expertise can help me with this question...
> 
> I have read somewhere that when the curtain covering the entrance to the 
> Most Holy was torn in two, in the first century CE, the Most Holy was 
> exposed containing no Ark of the Covenant. In place of the Ark was a stone 
> slab upon which the high priest sprinkled the blood on the Day of Atonement.
> 
> I know the last mention of the Ark of the Covenant is in 2. Chronicles 
> 35:5, 
> saying:
> He said to the Levites, who instructed all Israel and who had been 
> consecrated to YHWH: "Put the sacred ark in the temple that Solomon son of 
> David king of Israel built. It is not to be carried about on your 
> shoulders."
> 
> This happened around 642 (?) BCE.
> 
> And now the question...
> Do we know that the Ark of the Covenant was replaced by a stone slab?
> 
> If so...
> Who writes about it?
> Do we know when this was done?
> Do we know what the stone slab looked like?
> 
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> 
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