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- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: "Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation
- Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:37:59 +0100
On 20/07/2005 11:41, Read, James C wrote:
...We have discussed this on the list before, and I think we have come to the conclusion that for the root HWH, according to the normal rules for weak verbs, both the Qal 3rd person "imperfect" and the Hiphil 3rd person "imperfect" would most probably have the form YAHWEH, i.e. identical to the reconstructed form of the divine name. The Qal might also be YIHWEH as the "imperfect" of roots with initial he is somewhat variable, cf. YIHYEH from HYH.
Sorry for the mess up before. That's what happens when you join a discussion from memory without checking the grammar first.
However, while you are quite right that a regular verb would be bisyllabic I'm sure you are all aware that regular roots are few and far between. And that the root hwh is anything but regular. Plus the general conception that this is a causative form. To the best of my knowledge pe guttural hiphils and hophals are trisyllabic.
The evidence from the ancient names of a second long vowel o/u is insurmountable.
Note that these forms are both bisyllabic. There is no reason to expect a trisyllabic form here, except that the he might take a very short hataf vowel e.g. YAHWEH might become YAHaWEH with the small a indicating a very short hataf patah. But there is no way that a long o vowel would be found in this position.
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Yigal Levin, 07/19/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, John W. Leys., 07/19/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Yitzhak Sapir, 07/19/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Rolf Furuli, 07/19/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Uri Hurwitz, 07/19/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Yigal Levin, 07/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Peter Kirk, 07/20/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Yigal Levin, 07/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Yaacov Yeretz, 07/19/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Jim West, 07/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Dave Washburn, 07/20/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Peter Kirk, 07/20/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Rolf Furuli, 07/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Peter Kirk, 07/20/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Rolf Furuli, 07/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Peter Kirk, 07/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Harold R. Holmyard III, 07/20/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Shoshanna Walker, 07/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Harold R. Holmyard III, 07/20/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Read, James C, 07/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Patrick J. Emsweller, 07/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Read, James C, 07/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation, Read, James C, 07/20/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation,
Yigal Levin, 07/19/2005
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