Biblical Hebrew Forum

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Peter,

OK, I can go along with that.  If we use the phrase *deal 
with* in the context of 1 Sam 15, God dealt with the Amekel 
through the agency of Samuel and Saul by killing each and 
every one of them.  I think in this context, it would be 
difficult to translate *paqaretiy* as anything other than 
punish.  The reason God dealt with Amelek, according to the 
text, in this fashion was a crime committed hundreds of 
years earlier by the Amelek.

My point again is that the generations of Amelek who were
 contemporaneous with Saul were dealt with very harshly by 
God, punished in this context, to atone for a sins the 
generations of Amelek who were contemporaneous with Moses.

That is the way i read the text.

 
> From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
> Date: 2005/04/23 Sat PM 05:16:35 GMT
> To: tladatsi AT charter.net
> CC: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Karl - Ex 34.7 - punish or visit 
inquity
> 
> On 23/04/2005 06:19, tladatsi AT charter.net wrote:
> 
> >...
> >
> >Of course, the phrase *visit inquity upon* is pretty 
> >archaic terminology but it clearly means *punish*. 
> >
> >  
> >
> I think it would be better to say that it is meaningless 
in English, and 
> it is from the context that we understand it as 
punishment. For this is 
> a Hebrew idiom which has been translated literally into 
English - for 
> "visit" is used fairly concordantly for PQD in older 
Bible versions. It 
> is hard to know exactly what this idiom meant, although 
there do seem to 
> be cases where it must mean some kind of punishment. But 
the meaning of 
> the Hebrew verb is more like "pay attention to", so 
perhaps "deal with" 
> might be more appropriate that "punish". Of course 
dealing with sin does 
> often involve punishing it, but that is not necessarily 
what is made 
> explicit in this particular verse.
> 
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