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- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: Karl Randolph <kwrandolph AT email.com>
- Cc: Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: Fwd: [b-hebrew] Samekh/Sin
- Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:48:24 +0000
On 23/11/2004 17:27, Karl Randolph wrote:
...
And I want to ask one more question, which may throw this whole pronunciation
question in the air:
What is the effect of orthography (correct spelling) on the pronunciations of
the different graphemes?
Good question.
...
To get back to Hebrew: the Greek theta is unquestionably derived from the
Hebrew tet, xi from the samekh, sigma from sin/shin. Was there ever a time
before quite modern times where Greek writing had its spellings frozen,
thereby causing these letters to have a major change in pronunciations?
For Greek, yes there certainly was such a time, or perhaps several of them. I understand that for a time Attic spellings were frozen, and a bit later Koine spellings. And there is no doubt that the spellings of the Byzantine text of the New Testament were frozen in around the 4th century CE and remained in use throughout Byzantine times, and indeed up to the present in liturgical and some other orthographic traditions.
In general, modern Greek spellings are different from that Byzantine frozen tradition, but the frozen spellings of the vowels and diphthongs I, EI, H (eta), OI and U (upsilon) remain although some of these have been pronounced the same for two millennia.
Yet Hebrew did suffer from a freezing of spelling, that lasted from the end
of the Babylonian captivity to today, precisely at times when the language
was under intense pressure to change.
As a corrolary to the above question: is it possible that the Greek
pronunciations preserve more of the original grapheme pronunciations than
does Hebrew?
Greek spelling was probably frozen a little later than Hebrew, and so may preserve a little more of the original pronunciation.
--
Peter Kirk
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[b-hebrew] Samekh/Sin,
Yigal Levin, 11/20/2004
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Fwd: [b-hebrew] Samekh/Sin,
Yitzhak Sapir, 11/21/2004
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Re: Fwd: [b-hebrew] Samekh/Sin,
Peter Kirk, 11/21/2004
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Re: Fwd: [b-hebrew] Samekh/Sin,
Yitzhak Sapir, 11/22/2004
- Re: Fwd: [b-hebrew] Samekh/Sin, Peter Kirk, 11/22/2004
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Re: Fwd: [b-hebrew] Samekh/Sin,
Yitzhak Sapir, 11/22/2004
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Re: Fwd: [b-hebrew] Samekh/Sin,
Peter Kirk, 11/21/2004
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Fwd: [b-hebrew] Samekh/Sin,
Yitzhak Sapir, 11/21/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Samekh/Sin,
MarianneLuban, 11/22/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Samekh/Sin, Peter Kirk, 11/22/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Samekh/Sin,
MarianneLuban, 11/22/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Samekh/Sin, Peter Kirk, 11/22/2004
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Re: Fwd: [b-hebrew] Samekh/Sin,
Karl Randolph, 11/23/2004
- Re: Fwd: [b-hebrew] Samekh/Sin, Peter Kirk, 11/23/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Samekh/Sin, MarianneLuban, 11/25/2004
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