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- From: "C. Stirling Bartholomew" <jacksonpollock AT earthlink.net>
- To: David Kummerow <farmerjoeblo AT hotmail.com>, <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Cc:
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative"
- Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:41:20 -0700
David,
Thanks for the substantive reply, a few comments ...
On 9/27/04 6:13 PM, "David Kummerow" <farmerjoeblo AT hotmail.com> wrote:
> Your question relates to the analysis of BH as a head- or dependent-marked
> language. The problem is compounded because BH is a so-called pro-drop
> language, ie independent pronouns are not obligatory as apposed to English,
> for example.
What, therefore, does one say about "pleonastic" pronouns are they
pleonastic?
Gen. 36:8 ... (&w hw) )dwM
1Kings 18:39 ... yhwh hw) h)lhyM
If we reduce these to English SVO propositions then the pronoun looks like
it serves no syntactical purpose. I think calling these "pleonastic"
probably reveals a weakness in the analysis/methodology.
Mistah Kurtz--he dead.
(T.S. Eliot, The Hollow Men from J.Conrad, Heart of Darkness)
>Perhaps a better way forward than the "appositional" approach
> is the one put forward by Matthew Anstey (pp.24-26):
>
> http://home.hum.uva.nl/fg/working_papers/WPFG77.pdf
>
> The position advanced here is that both the NP argument *and* the verbal
> dependent-marking refer.
To the same referent I assume. They are co-referential.
>Have a read also of pp.226-232 of William Croft's,
> Radical Construction Grammar.
>
> One of the benifits of the approach is that in the case of pronominal
> reference, pronouns are then not so much "dropped" but "added".
Yes, the notion of a "missing pronoun" sounds suspiciously like the
theoretical tail wagging the textual dog.
> Unfortunately, however, there is yet to be a serious study of the syntax,
> semantics, and pragmatics of independent personal pronouns in BH - which is
> why I have chosen it as the topic for my dissertation!
It is not really unfortunate, it gave you a topic to write about ;-)
Thanks again,
Clay Bartholomew
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[b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative",
David Kummerow, 09/27/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative",
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 09/28/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative",
Peter Kirk, 09/28/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative",
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 09/28/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative",
Peter Kirk, 09/28/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative",
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 09/29/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative", Peter Kirk, 09/29/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative",
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 09/29/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative", Dave Washburn, 09/28/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative",
Peter Kirk, 09/28/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative",
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 09/28/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative",
Peter Kirk, 09/28/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative",
David Kummerow, 09/28/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative", C. Stirling Bartholomew, 09/29/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative", C. Stirling Bartholomew, 09/29/2004
- [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative", David Kummerow, 09/29/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: Hebrew "Nominative",
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 09/28/2004
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