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- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: phil-eng AT ighmail.com
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations
- Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:49:34 -0700
On 17/06/2004 03:31, Philip Engmann wrote:
OK, let's take some examples:
...
But the question still remains:
1. How can one determine a corruption of the LXX Vorlage when it (the
LXX Vorlage) is not extant?
2. Determining a corruption in translation is not clear to me when the
LXX Vorlage is not extant.
Philip Engmann
1) 2 Samuel 8:12,13: MT 'RM, LXX IDUMAIA. (In this case there is some Hebrew MSS support for 'DM, plus Syriac support). The LXX reading is clearly based on a Vorlage 'DM, and confusion between dalet and resh is a well attested process.
Genesis 1:9: MT MQWM, pointed MAQOWM, LXX SUNAGWGHN. The easiest reconstruction here (as in BHS) is that the LXX Vorlage was MQWH, MIQWEH, which also makes sense in the context and is used in the next verse. MQWM and MQWH are plausible corruptions of one another, and we cannot be sure which was original.
We can be reasonably sure that these discrepancies do not result from translation errors (although just possibly from the translator's misreading of the Vorlage), nor from transmission problems with the Greek text. So we can reliably reconstruct the missing (in fact in the first case only partly missing) LXX Vorlage.
2) At Jonah 4:6,7,9,10 MT has QIQAYON and LXX has KOLOKUNQA = "gourd". Modern scholars understand this plant to be the castor oil plant. The LXX rendering is clearly because the translator misunderstood (or at least understood differently from modern scholars) QIQAYON, and is nothing to do with a textual difference in the Vorlage.
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Peter Kirk
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Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations
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Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Peter Kirk, 06/05/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Philip Engmann, 06/08/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 06/08/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Yigal Levin, 06/08/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Masoretic Text - scribes faithful to the text, Schmuel, 06/08/2004
- RE: [b-hebrew] OT Translations, Philip Engmann, 06/09/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Yigal Levin, 06/08/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations, Peter Kirk, 06/08/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 06/08/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Philip Engmann, 06/16/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Peter Kirk, 06/16/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Philip Engmann, 06/17/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Peter Kirk, 06/17/2004
- RE: [b-hebrew] OT Translations, Philip Engmann, 06/18/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Peter Kirk, 06/17/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Philip Engmann, 06/17/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Peter Kirk, 06/16/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Philip Engmann, 06/08/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Yigal Levin, 06/05/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations, Brian Roberts, 06/06/2004
- RE: [b-hebrew] OT Translations, Philip Engmann, 06/09/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
George F. Somsel, 06/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations, Brian Roberts, 06/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
George F. Somsel, 06/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Brian Roberts, 06/11/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Tony Costa, 06/11/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations, Brian Roberts, 06/12/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Tony Costa, 06/11/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Brian Roberts, 06/11/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] OT Translations,
Peter Kirk, 06/05/2004
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