Biblical Hebrew Forum

["UUC" <unikom AT paco.net>]

Dear Harold,

> >Suppose you, indeed, translate with "prophetic perfect" and "intense
> >plural," and replace "gave" with "made." You get:
> >
> >they would make in his death with the rich
> >
> >What does THAT suppose to mean?
>
> HH: Here is the New International Version:
>
> Is. 53:9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich
> in his death,

I have never encountered "in his death" turn elsewhere in Hebrew. Did you?
Besides, there is a supposed parallelism: grave with wicked, death with
rich, but NIV seemingly refers "in his death" to both parts: (in his death)
(he was assigned a grave with the wicked and with the rich). This is
twisitng, isn't it?


> HH: Here is the Holman Christian Standard Bible:
>
> he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich man's grave.

This doesn't fly. First, you suggested precedent for intensive plural only
for death, not for grave. Second, grave is his, not the rich man's. And rich
is obviously in collective plural, parallel to the wicked.
The translation is also meaningless, since criminals weren't buried in rich
man's graves.

> HH: Here is the New King james Version:
>
> And they made His grave with the wicked-- But with the rich at His
> death

Translation of be as at is highly unusual. Besides, it is still meaningless.

> HH: Here is the New Revised Standard Version:
>
> They made his grave with the wicked and his tomb with the rich,

Where is preposition be, in? They simply cheated

> HH: Here is the American Standard Version:
> His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was with a rich man in His
death

Doesn't fly. They suppose different antecedents for [his grave] "was
assigned" and "he was." At any rate, there is only one antecedent in
wayiten, "he gave" or whatever you choose to translate it.

> HH: Here is the New Living Translation:
>
> he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich man's grave.

Again, grave is his, not the rich man's


Or would you disagree?


Best regards,

Vadim Cherny