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variant pronunciation (was Re: [b-hebrew] Draft proposal for Unicode encoding ofholam male)
- From: Trevor Peterson <06peterson AT cua.edu>
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- Subject: variant pronunciation (was Re: [b-hebrew] Draft proposal for Unicode encoding ofholam male)
- Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:47:45 -0400
Dora Smith wrote:
Did y'all know that (according to exactly half of my resources) undotted
dalet is pronounced "th" like the Welsh dd? I didn't know this sound
existed in Hebrew!
It doesn't in Modern Israeli Hebrew, which follows the Sephardic tradition. But as precise as the Masoretes were with their markings, it makes sense that they pronounced the letter two different ways. (And in fact there are spoken Aramaic traditions today that retain the distinction.)
And how many of y'all knew that vav is pronounced "w"? Again according to
exactly half my sources - sometimes.
If by "sometimes" you mean when it's not a vowel, this is true. Again, the vav pronunciation is Israeli, but the equivalent consonant in Arabic and Syriac is pronounced waw. The two sounds are really not all that different, when you think about it. A Spanish b is pronounced as a fricative (also Greek beta), which is very nearly a /w/ but differs from /v/ only in that the top lip is used instead of the teeth. Compare w as /v/ in German and as /w/ in English. It makes good sense that Hebrew vav was at some point /w/, and it offers the advantage of distinguishing the spoken consonant from a spirantized bet.
So the reason we get these differences in the grammars is because of different strategies. Some follow modern pronunciation; some try to reconstruct Masoretic pronunciation (or earlier stages). Any time one studies a dead language, the same issues must be addressed.
Trevor Peterson
CUA/Semitics
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[b-hebrew] Re: [hebrew] Re: Draft proposal for Unicode encoding of holam male,
Peter Kirk, 04/10/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: [hebrew] Re: Draft proposal for Unicode encoding ofholam male,
Dora Smith, 04/12/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Draft proposal for Unicode encoding ofholam male,
Dora Smith, 04/16/2004
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variant pronunciation (was Re: [b-hebrew] Draft proposal for Unicode encoding ofholam male),
Trevor Peterson, 04/16/2004
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[b-hebrew] Re: variant pronunciation,
Joel Nothman, 04/17/2004
- [b-hebrew] Re: variant pronunciation, Harold R. Holmyard III, 04/17/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: variant pronunciation,
Dora Smith, 04/17/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: variant pronunciation, Peter Kirk, 04/17/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: variant pronunciation, Yigal Levin, 04/17/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: variant pronunciation, Uri Hurwitz, 04/17/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: variant pronunciation, Joel Nothman, 04/17/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: variant pronunciation, Peter Kirk, 04/18/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: variant pronunciation, Joel Nothman, 04/19/2004
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[b-hebrew] Re: variant pronunciation,
Joel Nothman, 04/17/2004
- [b-hebrew] The dream will finally come true., Dora Smith, 04/18/2004
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variant pronunciation (was Re: [b-hebrew] Draft proposal for Unicode encoding ofholam male),
Trevor Peterson, 04/16/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Draft proposal for Unicode encoding ofholam male,
Dora Smith, 04/16/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: [hebrew] Re: Draft proposal for Unicode encoding ofholam male,
Dora Smith, 04/12/2004
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