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Re: [b-hebrew] Route of the Exodus (Red Sea Crossing)
- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: "Walter R. Mattfeld" <mattfeld12 AT charter.net>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Route of the Exodus (Red Sea Crossing)
- Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:07:54 -0800
On 23/01/2004 09:49, Walter R. Mattfeld wrote:
I have made some major revisions regarding the identification of some sitesThank you, Walter. I remain interested in these matters, but I don't want to get involved in historical controversy on this list.
associated with the "Route of the Exodus." Specifically Succoth, Etham, the
site of the Red Sea (Yam Suph) crossing, Pi-ha-Hiroth and Migdol. The
following urls should be consulted if interested. One must read the articles
"on line" in order to access the accompanying maps.
What's "really new" ? The realization _just today_ (23 Jan. 2004) of why
Israel described the Red Sea as being a "wall of water" on either side of
her when she crossed it. The explanation will "surprise" all, cf. the
following url
http://www.bibleorigins.net/ExodusRedSeaCrossingMap.html
The below urls also should be read
http://www.bibleorigins.net/RouteOfTheExodus.html
http://www.bibleorigins.net/TheRouteOfTheExodusPart2.html
Regards, Walter
Walter Reinhold Warttig Mattfeld y de la Torre, M.A. Ed.
www.bibleorigins.net
mattfeld12 AT charter.net
I note that you use the phrase "wall of water", as do many translations in Exodus 15:22,29. We naturally think in terms of Cecil B. de Mille. But what does the text actually say? Literally translated (the same in both verses):
the water to them a wall from the right and from the left
What does "wall", XOMA, mean in this context? Does it necessarily mean something standing up vertically? No. The word is used in several places metaphorically, of any form of protection (although admittedly most of its 133 uses refer to literal walls). BDB (sorry, Karl) offers the following examples of metaphorical XOMOT:
1 Sam 25:16 David's men
Jer 1:18, 15:20 Jeremiah
Song 8:9,10 a woman
Isaiah 26:1 salvation
Zec 2:9 (English v.5) YHWH
...and most tellingly of all:
Nahum 3:8 the water of the Nile, protecting No-Amon/Thebes/Luxor, presumably like some kind of moat. (Today the Nile is only one one side of Luxor; was the city once on an island?)
So, what do people think? Is it reasonable to understand the text as Walter seems to, that the water to the left and the right of the Israelites was not so much an upstanding wall as channels of water forming a protecting barrier? If so, Walter may well be right about the crossing place, following "Le Clerc, Du Bois, Aimé and others".
By the way, Walter, I think you and others miss the point about the idea that the sea may once have extended up to the Bitter Lakes. The sea would have retreated not so much because its level dropped as because a former shallow gulf may have become filled with sand and sediment, with the current tidal area where you place the crossing all that remains. That is something which can quite easily be checked by geologists. I have been in the area in question, by the Suez Canal (and under it in a tunnel) just north of Suez, and can testify that it looks very like a flat alluvial plain which might have been filled in relatively recently. But I can't be sure that this flat plain extends all the way to the Bitter Lakes; although the satellite image at http://www.redtailcanyon.com/items/6664.aspx suggests that there is at least a narrow corridor of green and so low land all the way, and so does the fact that the ancients were able to build canals here. See also http://www.nrzam.org.uk/Site%20Resources/UnionCastle_odds/SuezCanalSouth.jpg.
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Peter Kirk
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[b-hebrew] Route of the Exodus (Red Sea Crossing),
Walter R. Mattfeld, 01/23/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Route of the Exodus (Red Sea Crossing),
Peter Kirk, 01/23/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Route of the Exodus (Red Sea Crossing), Uri Hurwitz, 01/23/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Route of the Exodus (Red Sea Crossing),
Peter Kirk, 01/24/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Route of the Exodus (Red Sea Crossing),
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