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- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: "B. M. Rocine" <brocine AT twcny.rr.com>
- Cc: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab
- Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:18:30 -0700
On 01/10/2003 13:45, B. M. Rocine wrote:
Hi Peter,My mention of Qumran was not concerned with this verse, but more general in that, generally speaking, the DSS confirm our traditional understanding of the Hebrew lexicon; they confirm the consonantal text of the HB; and they provide a range of interpretations of the Psalms which, if I am not mistaken, do not generally support Dahood's thesis of widespread Ugaritic links.
I don't see what Qumran has to do with Dahood's Ps. 1:1. ...
Meanwhile, from even earlier than the DSS, the LXX confirms the traditional understanding of Psalm 1. It seems unlikely that Ugaritic senses of words which, by Dahood's hypothesis, survived for many centuries over a wide area including Ugarit and Israel were within a relatively short time so entirely forgotten that a verse as prominent, well-known and memorable as the very first verse of the psalter would be so entirely misunderstood.
BTW, did you look at the other vv. I cited for derek meaning "seat ofI don't accept NIV as an authority. Were they right to translate like this? Probably not.
power"? NIV did translate some of those as "strength," "vitality" or some
such.
Psa 110:7: obscure but no reason to reject "way".
Hos 10:13: probably "way" here means something like "strategy".
Pro 31:3: the BHS margin suggests a reading YAREK which makes good sense; or DEREK would fit well with 30:19 which we have just discussed, at least with my interpretation, although this makes the parallel with HAYIL slightly strained.
Psa 138:5: are the ways/methods of YHWH not worth singing about?
Jer 3:13: see Pro 31:3, this could again be YAREK or a euphemistic sense of DEREK.
Psa 119:37: the text is doubtful, but "way" makes very good sense.
So I really see no reason to abandon the sense "way" and no evidence for a second sense of DEREK.
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[b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab,
B. M. Rocine, 10/01/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab,
Peter Kirk, 10/01/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab,
B. M. Rocine, 10/01/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab, Peter Kirk, 10/01/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab, Lee R . Martin, 10/03/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab,
Trevor Peterson, 10/01/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab, B. M. Rocine, 10/01/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab,
B. M. Rocine, 10/01/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab,
Dave Washburn, 10/01/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab,
Peter Kirk, 10/01/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab, Dave Washburn, 10/02/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab,
Peter Kirk, 10/01/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab, Peter Kirk, 10/02/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab,
Trevor Peterson, 10/01/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab,
jucci, 10/02/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab, Peter Kirk, 10/02/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab,
jucci, 10/02/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dahood on `ecah, derek, mow$ab,
Peter Kirk, 10/01/2003
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