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- From: "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>
- To: "Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation
- Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:46:37 -0500
The problem of translation literally is that sometimes there
is no equivalent from one language to the other.
For example, in the example below WYKYR wayyakir has the
meaning of to look at for the purpose of recognition. In English,
there is no such term, we have two words and neer the twain
shall meet, but in Hebrew both concepts are combined into one.
Therefore, to give the full meaning of the Hebrew into English,
we would need a sentence to render the one word in Hebrew.
Thus when Jacob looked at Josephs cloak, He looked at it and
recognized it.
Another problem is that sometimes a word in one language will
have two or more terms in the target language depending on the
context. For example X+) chata has the meaning of to err
when referring to an archer missing his target, i.e. he erred in
his aim, and in the moral sense to sin. Or there are two
different words emphasizing nuances that are not available in a
single word in the target language except by adding explanation.
The wooden translation so satisfying to the scholar who
recognizes the nuances becomes mistranslation to the one who
does not know the original language.
(In the case of X+) I wonder if the English to sin is losing its
relevance, its meaning, much as iniquity long ago became a
meaningless term? Thus, would a consistent translation to
err be a more accurate translation for 21st century English
outside of narrow theological circles? The same is true for the
Greek hamartanoo.)
To give a modern equivalent, my son knows Linux so well he
prefers to enter commands by typing them in, but I would be
lost without X-windows and KDE (which is why I usually use a
Mac). Likewise, when making translations, I aim for the
windows user and not the one who knows it well enough that he
can type in long commands.
The argument for strictly literal translation sounds good, but
in practice it doesnt work.
Yours, Karl W. Randolph.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan-Wim Wesselius" <jwwesselius AT mail.thuk.nl>
<snip>
> A. It is almost generally accepted that the exchanges between Jacob and his
> sons in Genesis 37:32-33 and Judah and Tamar in Genesis 38:25-26 are
> connected through the recurrence of the words hakker-na, 'do recognize!',
> and wayyakker, 'and he recognized' in both, but it proves nearly impossible
> to find an idiomatic translation which fits in both chapters, so that this
> striking connection is lost in nearly every ancient and modern translation.
<snip>
> Jan-Wim Wesselius
> Theologische Universiteit Kampen
> Postbus 5021, 8260 GA Kampen
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> e-mail jwwesselius AT mail.thuk.nl
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Re: [b-hebrew] Alter and poetry v. prose (was Alter on Translation)
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Alter and poetry v. prose (was Alter on Translation), CS Bartholomew, 08/19/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, Peter Kirk, 08/14/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Jan-Wim Wesselius, 08/14/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
CS Bartholomew, 08/14/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Peter Kirk, 08/14/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Stoney Breyer, 08/15/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Peter Kirk, 08/15/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, Stoney Breyer, 08/15/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, Stoney Breyer, 08/15/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Peter Kirk, 08/15/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Stoney Breyer, 08/15/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Peter Kirk, 08/14/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
CS Bartholomew, 08/14/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, Trevor Peterson, 08/14/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, Karl Randolph, 08/14/2003
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