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- From: "Stoney Breyer" <stoneyb AT touchwood.net>
- To: "'hebrew'" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation
- Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:45:30 -0500
[PK:] As a hypothetical example, the form we are used to as a limerick
may be very similar to the form used as a funeral elegy in another
language. Does that mean we should translate that language's funeral
elegy into
English as a limerick?
[SB:] Well, it's worth trying. Longfellow modeled Hiawatha on the
[German] translation of Kalevala. The rhymed couplets of French
classical drama are impossibly jingle-y to the modern English ear, even
in comedy, like Richard Wilbur's translations of Moliere - but an entire
generation of English playwrights wrote enormously successful tragedies
in rhymed couplets under French influence. Perhaps your hypothetical
translation would establish a canonical elegiac form in English! - just
as Tyndale's un-English translation of the Bible established a canonical
scriptural form which lasted for generations.
[PK:] But there must be a trade-off. In many cases it is simply
impossible to preserve in a translation all of the meaning of the
original, at the
structural and literary levels as well as the local level.
[SB:] Oh, I'd go farther and say it's impossible in *all* cases, even
the aircraft maintenance manual - I used to room with a translator of
Chinese scientific articles who wailed three or four times a week "You
can't say that in English!" ... It's a matter of choices, as actors say,
and I think there's plenty of room for translations, especially of
narrative, that allow thematic and dramatic considerations to govern
choices at the sentence level.
--
Peter Kirk
peter AT qaya.org (personal)
peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
http://www.qaya.org/
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation
, (continued)
- Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, B. M. Rocine, 08/16/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Alter and poetry v. prose (was Alter on Translation),
B. M. Rocine, 08/19/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Alter and poetry v. prose (was Alter on Translation), B. M. Rocine, 08/19/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Alter and poetry v. prose (was Alter on Translation), CS Bartholomew, 08/19/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, Peter Kirk, 08/14/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Jan-Wim Wesselius, 08/14/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
CS Bartholomew, 08/14/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Peter Kirk, 08/14/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Stoney Breyer, 08/15/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Peter Kirk, 08/15/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, Stoney Breyer, 08/15/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, Stoney Breyer, 08/15/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Peter Kirk, 08/15/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Stoney Breyer, 08/15/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Peter Kirk, 08/14/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
CS Bartholomew, 08/14/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, Trevor Peterson, 08/14/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, Karl Randolph, 08/14/2003
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