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- From: "Stoney Breyer" <stoneyb AT touchwood.net>
- To: "'hebrew'" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation
- Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:28:33 -0500
-----Original Message-----
The problem here is that repetition means different things to different
target audiences, largely but not entirely dependent on language. It had
a certain purpose in Hebrew which Alter no doubt describes. But when
read, for example, in a particular language of central Asia (and to some
extent in English) it is a mark of very poor style and an ignorant
author who doesn't know the language well enough to use a variety of
synonyms. Do we want our translations to communicate that message?
[SB:] You might be interested in looking up Bernard Shaw's
correspondence with his German translator, Siegfried Trebitsch. (My
Shaw's all in storage, or I'd quote it - it's in Volume I of the
Collected Letters.) Shaw took Trebitsch to task for translating the same
deliberately repeated phrase three different ways, and scornfully
attributed Trebitsch's "variety of synonyms" to his desire to be
"literary".
I would never agree that a translation should be made to
express literary features of the original if it is then an inaccurate or
meaningless translation. But I would accept a modified version (though
omitting "certainly"): "it should... be done in every case where it can
serve to express literary features of the original" *without
compromising the accuracy and clarity of the translation*.
[SB:] But doesn't failure to express literary features of the original
compromise accuracy and clarity, too? For that matter, what features of
the original are *not* literary? I hope you're not suggesting that
structural features are merely ornamental, while all the meaning that
matters is conveyed at the local level.
Stoney Breyer
Writer
Touchwood, Inc.
314 421-9878
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation
, (continued)
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
B. M. Rocine, 08/14/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
CS Bartholomew, 08/16/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, B. M. Rocine, 08/16/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Alter and poetry v. prose (was Alter on Translation),
B. M. Rocine, 08/19/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Alter and poetry v. prose (was Alter on Translation), B. M. Rocine, 08/19/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Alter and poetry v. prose (was Alter on Translation), CS Bartholomew, 08/19/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
CS Bartholomew, 08/16/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, Peter Kirk, 08/14/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Jan-Wim Wesselius, 08/14/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
CS Bartholomew, 08/14/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Peter Kirk, 08/14/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Stoney Breyer, 08/15/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Peter Kirk, 08/15/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, Stoney Breyer, 08/15/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, Stoney Breyer, 08/15/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Peter Kirk, 08/15/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Stoney Breyer, 08/15/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
Peter Kirk, 08/14/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
CS Bartholomew, 08/14/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, Trevor Peterson, 08/14/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation, Karl Randolph, 08/14/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Robert Alter on Translation,
B. M. Rocine, 08/14/2003
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