Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Liz Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu>]

Dear All,
I interpret it as an internecine squabble between the D
school (and Jeremiah) on the one hand and the P school
of the scribes he refers to.
Liz


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> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Jeremiah 8:8 - the pen of the scribes
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>
> Steven:
>
> You are quite right to look at “sheker” as the reason for the NAS
> and other newer translations. The basic meaning of “sheker” is
> “deceptive” and I read the context, including the following
> verses, as indicating that the deceptive part is that the people
> are not following the very law that they are claiming is with
> them, the law that is the reason for claiming that they are wise.
> But I would hesitate using the word “lie” as does NAS, for it
> could be a case of self-deception or deception based on ignorance first.
>
> A very similar passage is Romans 2:17–25 and Paul could very well
> have been thinking of this passage when writing Romans.
>
> Yours, Karl W. Randolph.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Schmuel <schmuel AT escape.com>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:23:09 -0400
> To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [b-hebrew] Jeremiah 8:8 - the pen of the scribes
>
> > Shalom b-hebrew,
> >
> > Jeremiah 8:8 (KJB)
> > How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us?
> > Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
> >
> > JPS-1985
> > Assuredly, for naught has the pen labored, For naught the scribes !
> >
> > NAS
> > How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'?
> > But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made {it} into a lie.
> >
> > The NAS (and many modern Christian versions) meaning is much
> different than the KJB or JPS.
> > In one case the pen of the scribes actively lies/deceives, in
> the other it is in vain, or for naught.
> >
> > Comments on the underlying Hebrew, including ... shehker, and
> the full constructions ?
> >
> > Thanks :-)
> >
> > Shalom,
> > Steven Avery
> > Queens, NY
> >
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