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- From: Dave Washburn <dwashbur AT nyx.net>
- To: "b-hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: Psalm 110 was Re: [b-hebrew] LORD
- Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:44:47 -0700
On Friday 14 February 2003 19:01, Trevor & Julie Peterson wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> > This is true, but the use of the lePN in the psalm titles could
> > indicate a
> > much earlier stratum of the language, too, since we know from
> > Ugaritic that
> > the l- preposition could sometimes mean "of" or "from." If - and
> > I stress
> > that it's a big "if" - this is its most likely meaning in the
> > psalm titles,
> > that would very likely preclude those psalms being exilic or
> > post-exilic in
> > origin. And since the destruction of Ugarit prevents us from
> > knowing when
> > the language shifted away from this genitive/ablative use of l-,
> > it's quite
> > possible that in Hebrew this usage persisted at least into the Davidic
> > period.
>
> I'm not sure how much of a basis there is for comparison. The situation in
> Ugaritic seems to be bigger than just a possible use of li- meaning "from."
> As far as I know, there's no real polarity in Ugaritic prepositions
> attached to direction. So a distinction like to vs. from would be rather
> meaningless in this setting. You just use one preposition to convey motion
> with regard to some object, and context determines the precise nature of
> the motion. (That's not to say they had no means of being more explicit.
> They apparently had an -ah adverbial ending to indicate direction, as in
> Hebrew; but prepositions weren't marked according to all the categories we
> might expect.) The situation is quite a bit different in BH. For that
> matter, it seems like most other Semitic languages made this sort of
> distinction, even as far back as Old Babylonian ishtu. I'm not saying that
> we can't find some overlap between the usage of le- in BH and that of li-
> in Ugaritic. I just think it could be rather difficult to say much about
> timing on that basis.
>
Trevor,
Actually the situation WRT l- = "of, from" in Hebrew is well known, Ugaritic
merely confirmed that we were on the right track. Gordon, "Ugaritic
Textbook" p. 92 in my edition, lists Ps 84:12 "withold from"; 2 Kgs 4:24
"prevent from"; Gen 16:2 same; Josh 3:12 as well as Josh 4:2,4, all of which
are clear examples of this usage. In these and several of the Ugaritic
examples, I really don't see the idea of "motion" expressed. Gen 16:2
"prevented from bearing" hardly conveys motion, and 2 Kgs 14:28
"restored...from Judah to Israel" appears to convey ownership. So I really
don't see where the situation is so different in BH. Indeed, since Gordon
also lists numerous examples of b- meaning "from" and describes this usage as
"not uncommon," perhaps BH is more like Ugaritic in terms of polarity of
prepositions than we previously thought.
--
Dave Washburn
http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur
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Re: Fw: [b-hebrew] LORD
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Re: Fw: [b-hebrew] LORD,
Pastor Mark Eddy, 02/14/2003
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Re: Fw: [b-hebrew] LORD,
Yigal Levin, 02/14/2003
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- Re: Fw: [b-hebrew] LORD, Yigal Levin, 02/16/2003
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Re: Fw: [b-hebrew] LORD,
Yigal Levin, 02/14/2003
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Re: Fw: [b-hebrew] LORD,
Pastor Mark Eddy, 02/14/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] LORD,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 02/14/2003
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Psalm 110 was Re: [b-hebrew] LORD,
Pastor Mark Eddy, 02/14/2003
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RE: Psalm 110 was Re: [b-hebrew] LORD,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 02/14/2003
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Re: Psalm 110 was Re: [b-hebrew] LORD,
Dave Washburn, 02/14/2003
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RE: Psalm 110 was Re: [b-hebrew] LORD,
Trevor & Julie Peterson, 02/14/2003
- [b-hebrew] RE: Psalm 110, Yigal Levin, 02/16/2003
- Re: Psalm 110 was Re: [b-hebrew] LORD, Dave Washburn, 02/18/2003
- RE: Psalm 110 was Re: [b-hebrew] LORD, Trevor & Julie Peterson, 02/19/2003
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RE: Psalm 110 was Re: [b-hebrew] LORD,
Trevor & Julie Peterson, 02/14/2003
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Re: Psalm 110 was Re: [b-hebrew] LORD,
Dave Washburn, 02/14/2003
- Re: Psalm 110 was Re: [b-hebrew] LORD, Pastor Mark Eddy, 02/14/2003
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RE: Psalm 110 was Re: [b-hebrew] LORD,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 02/14/2003
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Psalm 110 was Re: [b-hebrew] LORD,
Pastor Mark Eddy, 02/14/2003
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