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In a message dated 2/7/2003 5:33:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
lizfried AT umich.edu writes:

> What about the speech of the rabshekah that those
> sitting on the wall will be eating their dung and drinking their
> urine? Isn't the presumption there that it will be after their
> deaths, in Sheol?
> 

Liz,

Why do you suppose that these were supposed to be in Sheol and dead?  I 
understand this to refer to what will happen while they are alive and 
beseiged in the city.

gfsomsel
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Dave

Taking what I said concerning "Keil & Delitzsch suggest "celestial being,"
The word Elohim has the meaqning of mighty ones. Psalm 8 relates it to
angels and indicates by the reference there that it were these mighty ones
or angels described elsewhere in Psalms as ministering spirits that were
involved in the creation. Exodus 7:1 Yahweh calls Moses an Elohim. In Deut
10:17 the word is used in relation to gods of other nations made of wood
and stone. The same applies in Deuteronomy 29:26 and in other places.
Judges 10:6 is specific as the elohim of Syria. In Exodus 21:4 the word
elohim refers to the judges of Israel

There are others but this will suffice.

In saying that it matters not what is suggested by scholars, and I have a
great respect for them, their comments must be taken with the whole and the
position is that in context some times the word elohim does relate to
celestial beings but a full examination of the word does indicate that it
does not only mean 'celestial beings'. That meaning is deceptive without a
full understanding of this word and its usage.

The word Eloah is another case in point.

Concerning your other comments, it is restrictive in this forum to hope to
cover this subject fully. Nor is it the place. Just as the discussion on
the subject of the woman and Saul at Endore can not be covered in all its
facets in this forum. The argument or discussion would be too long. An
examination of the belief system held before the captivity and that
developed from the School of Alexandria would clarify some of the points
but again this is not the purpose of this forum.

Lew Osborne