Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Lisbeth S. Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu>]

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> From: soren AT enteract.com [mailto:soren AT enteract.com]
> Sent: Mon, June 03, 2002 5:13 PM
> To: Biblical Hebrew
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> Subject: RE: The daughter of Jeftah died?
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> I don't know if Liz has confused Daniel Werlin but she has
> certainly confused
> me.  The story of Yiftah is not a random story, it is one of
> several stores
> brought together by a D narrator weho wished to show (the
> editor does explain
> his/her motives in the text) that when the Israelites
> abandoned Yahweah, this
> had ill consequences (foreign rule) but that Yahweh did not
> fully abandon His
> people but raised up great leaders to redeem them spiritually
> and physically.
> I don't know, and I doubt if it will ever be known, which, if
> any, of these
> stories were in written form before our editor or what thosew
> written forms
> were.
>
> I suspect what is bothering Liz is the assumption that
> sacrificing a child is
> against Biblical Israaelite religion.
You must have me mixed up with someone else.
I don't think the story is historical, and I don't have anything
bothering me. I'm trying to get people to realize that
their statements carry implications, that assumptions
are embedded which, upon closer examination, may not
pan out.
When you say "brought together" by  a D narrator,
who was that D-narrator, when did he live, how did
he know the story?
I sense the anger these questions arouse; we tend to
get angry when we run up against questions which
challenge the bedrock of our faith, of who we are as people.

Liz

 The trouble is that while that
> assumption may be comforting to us (how many of us woule
> sacrifice our only
> child even at his/her worst?), there is no particular support
> for it.  THere is
> one child sacrifice story in Genesis, there is another in
> Kings (which gets
> mentioned in Joshua) and there is Ezekial's comment (I think
> chapter 22 but I
> don't have any texts before me) quoting Yahwah as saying that
> he gave bad laws
> to Israel by commanding them to sacrifice their first-born.
> THe editor
> includes this story because it shows Yiftah's relgious virtue
> (and thus his
> fitness to lead Israel) as he keep his vow even when it led
> in a direction he
> had not suspected.
>
>                                                     Steve Oren
>
> Quoting "Lisbeth S. Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu>:
>
> > If you argue that this describes an histoical event, then
> > you must have some theory in mind describing how the
> > event happened to be written down and received into
> > the biblical corpus.
> > What is that theory that you have?
> > Liz Fried
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Daniel Walin [mailto:danserve4x AT yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Mon, June 03, 2002 4:31 PM
> > > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > > Subject: RE: The daughter of Jeftah died?
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "Lisbeth S. Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu> wrote:
> > > > If this is historical, what transmission
> > > > theory do you propose to account for it's inclusion
> > > > in the biblical corpus?
> > > > Liz Fried
> > >
> > > What do you mean by the term "transmission theory?"
> > >
> > > Daniel Walin
> > >
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