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- From: Niels Peter Lemche <npl AT teol.ku.dk>
- To: "'barre AT access1.com'" <barre AT access1.com>
- Cc: "'b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu'" <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: RE: Summary of relevant data so far
- Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:31:35 +0100
> -----Original Message-----
> From: barre AT access1.com [SMTP:barre AT access1.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 09 February, 2000 12:55
> To: Biblical Hebrew
> Subject: Summary of relevant data so far
>
> Hypothesis: Jacob was a contemporary of Lab'aya and Hamor.
>
> Common topic: Shechem in the 14th and 13th centuries.
>
>
> - Lab'aya gave up the land of Shechem to the Habiru.
>
> - Jacob took Shechem by "his sword and his bow." NPL: I am sorry; did I
> miss something? In Gen 34, Simeon and Levi kills the men of Shechem and
> plunder the city, in Gen 49:5-6, they are accused of having killed people
> and detroyed property (no names given). In Gen 34 Jacob regrets the acts
> of his sons, he does not conquer anything.
>
> - Hamor the Hurrian ruled Shechem.
Now, Hamor is not a Hurrian, he is a Hivvite. Maybe the Hivvites are
Hurrians, but we do not know and Hamor's name is Semitic (Amorite/Hebrew).
> - Hamor's son was named Shechem.
>
> - Hurrian names are attested at El Amarna.
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> - Some Hurrian chieftains ruled cities.
>
> - Hamor is a Semitic name.
>
> - Semitic Hurrians were ruled by an Indo-European aristocracy.
What? Hurrians were not Semites, and their language was totally
different. What has the Indo-Iranians to do with this. There are also
Indo-Iranian PN among the nams of rulers in the Amarna archive (e.g. in
Damascu), but did they rule Hurrian speaking or Semitic speaking people?
> - Shechem suffered destruction in the era intersecting with Lab'aya.
Wilfull interpretation of the not very safe archaeological evidence.
> - Lab'aya and Akhenaten were contemporaries.
Great?
> - Hamor and Jacob are portrayed as contemporaries.
>
> - Lab'aya gave up Shechem.
>
> - Jacob seized Shechem by force.
No! Even an argument exclusively based on the Bible alone can see
that this is wrong. There is nothing about Jacob having conquered Shechem.
> - Joshua reportedly too possession of Shechem without conflict.
>
>
>
I cannot find any evidence here that supports your hypothesis.
NPL
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Summary of relevant data so far,
barre, 02/09/2000
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- RE: Summary of relevant data so far, Niels Peter Lemche, 02/09/2000
- Re: Summary of relevant data so far, George Athas, 02/09/2000
- Re: Summary of relevant data so far, Peter Kirk, 02/10/2000
- Re[3]: Summary of relevant data so far, Peter Kirk, 02/10/2000
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