Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Andrew Kulikovsky <anku AT CelsiusTech.com.au>]

I also have Logos Level 4, but gave up trying to use it, and went and bought
GRAMCORD.

Also, I don't think Logos can handle wildcards either.

cheers,
Andrew
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Washburn [mailto:dwashbur AT nyx.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 11:17 PM
> To: Biblical Hebrew
> Subject: Re: Hebrew software
> 
> 
> Peter wrote:
> > This prompts a specific question about search facilities. Many 
> > products claim "flexible search facilities", but what do they mean? 
> > What searches can different products do? What searches would be 
> > desired for inclusion in a product under development?
> 
> I use the Logos package (level 4, though I don't use all the English 
> versions in it) and it does most of what you describe below:
> 
> > Let's look at some specific examples of searches relevant 
> to current 
> > threads. Can anyone name any tool which is able to do the following 
> > searches:
> > 
> > 1. Find every example of the word LO) immediately followed (with 
> > maqqef OR space) by any verb in the YIQTOL form - i.e. 
> mixed search on 
> > base word form and grammatical tag with wildcard.
> 
> Yes.  I've done this with several combinations.  Getting the syntax 
> just right takes a little practice (as with any program, the 
> manual is 
> fairly confusing) but it can be done.
> 
> > 2. Find every example of a verb in the imperative followed 
> by a verb 
> > in the WEYIQTOL form and 2nd person, where the verbs are not 
> > immediately conjoined and there may be an intervening verse 
> division 
> > but there is no other verb in between. (Let me know if your 
> software 
> > can do even part of this!)
> 
> Yes.  The trick is to use the "afterword" or "beforeword" operator 
> and specify a maximum number of words that can separate the two 
> keys, e.g. "verb imperative [it has special keys for this but 
> they are 
> chosen via an easy dialog box] BEFOREWORD 10 (waw AND 
> (verb impf 2ms OR verb impf 2fs))" would give occurrences where  
> the weyiqtol is 10 words or less after the imperative.  As I 
> said, the 
> syntax is a mite tricky, but it can do the job (most of the time).
> 
> > 3. Any other searches which anyone has wanted or tried to 
> do but found 
> > that their software cannot manage?
> 
> Basically, I've discovered that anything that is tagged in the Hebrew 
> morph database can be found, it's just a matter of cursing at the 
> search syntax enough to figure out exactly how to phrase it :-)
> 
> > These are the sorts of searches that we really need to come near to 
> > settling the sorts of discussions we have been having on this list 
> > recently, and to advance understanding of Hebrew verb forms 
> and other 
> > grammatical issues above the word level. So I would be really 
> > interested to know what is available.
> 
> This is the only package I've used, and I got a special deal on it 
> from a friend who sells it (level 4 for the price of level 
> 3).  Level 3 is 
> all that's needed to work with the Hebrew text, and I think it's 
> comparably priced.  The two biggest drawbacks that I've found are 
> 1) the sometimes confusing search syntax, and 2) the Hebrew font 
> and database uses a proprietary character mapping that doesn't 
> resemble anything else I've seen (this is also true of the Greek 
> database).  It would have been nice if they had used CCAT 
> mapping or something similar, it would have made it a lot easier to 
> copy and paste.  The biggest advantage that I know of is the ability 
> to mix morphological keys with specific words, phrases etc.  
> Setting it up to do this is also a little tricky, but once 
> you figure it 
> out the first time it's fairly easy from then on.
> 
> Dave Washburn
> http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur
> A Bible that's falling apart means a life that isn't.
> 
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