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Accidentally sent to Eric instead of the list..

Sorry Eric!

Date sent:              Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:36:38
Subject:                Re: The "presence" of the Lord
To:                     Biblical Hebrew <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
From:                   "Eric Weiss" <eweiss AT gte.net>
Send reply to:          "Eric Weiss" <eweiss AT gte.net>

> Well ... perhaps if I ever finish your Hebrew grammar I will not make such 
> mistakes <grin!>
> 
> Thanks for your response, and thanks for your earlier one re: $ekon yhvh 
> and the "presence" of the Lord.
> 
> So I guess using I Kings 8:11 of the priests "being unable to stand up" is 
> another example of poor Charismatic exegesis, i.e., when they compare this 
> to the soldiers falling down in John 18:6 when they come to arrest Jesus 
> and use it to develop a doctrine of being "slain in the Spirit."

Well I am a Pentecostal.  That is one step below a Charismatic ;)  
or maybe a step above..anyways..in John 18:6 it is obvious that a 
supernatural power "knocked them over".  Personally, I don't like 
the term "slain in the spirit", slain having the connotation of being 
killed.

The reason I am here and in B-Greek is to learn more of the original 
language syntax.  1 Kings 8:11 has been used by many to say, 
they (the priests) fell down.  One of the reasons they interpret it is 
because of the word that is used for "glory"

In the Strongs: (which I understand isn't the best source for Hebrew 
and Greek definitions sometimes )
3519. kabowd, kaw-bode'; rarely  kabod, kaw-bode'; from H3513; 
prop. weight; but only fig. in a good sense, splendor or 
copiousness:--glorious (-ly), glory, honour (-able)

3513. kabad, kaw-bad'; or  kabed, kaw-bade'; a prim. root; to be 
heavy, i.e. in a bad sense (burdensome, severe, dull) or in a good 
sense (numerous, rich, honorable); causat. to make weighty (in the 
same two senses):--abounding with, more grievously afflict, boast, 
be chargeable, X be dim, glorify, be (make) glorious (things), glory, 
(very) great, be grievous, harden, be (make) heavy, be heavier, lay 
heavily, (bring to, come to, do, get, be had in) honour (self), (be) 
honourable (man), lade, X more be laid, make self many, nobles, 
prevail, promote (to honour), be rich, be (go) sore, stop.

e definiton weight or heaviness has leaned many toward the 
interpretation of being pressed or falling down.

I am certainly not saying that is a "proper" interpretation.  More 
comments from the well hebrew learned instead of people like me 
that are hebrew challenged would be helpful concerning the relation 
between the hebrew word for "glory" and "not being able to stand".

> 
> Kind of like the misinterpretion of Isaiah 10:27 to preach that "the 
> anointing breaks the yoke" (i.e., the Anointing of the Holy Spirit breaks 
> bondages of demons and bad habits and lack of freedom in one's life and 
> worship, etc.)....
> 

The yoke spoken of is a yoke of bondage.  The entire chapter 
brings about that context.

Rather or not that would "apply" to demonic bondage..is up for arm 
wrestling  :)


Pastor Dan Oglesby
Community Revival Center Church
Where God is Alive and Moving by His Spirit
Ottawa, Kansas
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