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  • From: Linda Ray <lindaray@att.net>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Leaving the Evil Empire of Facebook — Medium
  • Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 02:19:57 +0000 (UTC)

The problem I see with programs like facebook is, there doesn't seem to be
any real way to track and/or recover valuable data, so it isn't a useful
learning tool. That means all it's good for is logistics and gossip. That
could be a bad combination.

It *is* a great tool for whipping up lots of people who aren't inclined to
think for themselves, and getting them swept up into somebody else's
emotional agenda, without having to be fettered by trackable facts.
IMO that makes it an instrument whose only use is peer pressure by those who
are susceptible to brainless emotionalism, and by those who want to
manipulate others by using peer pressure. Bad juju IMHO.
For anyone whose passion is learning, there is nothing of substance on
Facebook.

Namaste,
Linda :-)



From: Carolyn Anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Leaving the Evil Empire of Facebook — Medium

i have tried to close accounts and have not been able to.  Thinking they
were closed, I've come back later to find them active, posts and
notifications on them, even though I had not posted anything for a long
time.  It is nothing more than a time sucker and a totally opaque and
humanless 'system' that we've all been sucked into.  I will make another
attempt to close my accounts.

Thanks for this article.  It feels good to know my intuition about them was
accurate.

Be well,
Carolyn

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Linda Ray <lindaray@att.net> wrote:

> Thanks for the post Larry.
>
> I refuse to have anything to do with facebook.
> Namaste,
> Linda
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On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Linda Ray <lindaray@att.net> wrote:

> The problem I see with programs like facebook is, there doesn't seem to be
> any real way to track and/or recover valuable data, so it isn't a useful
> learning tool. That means all it's good for is logistics and gossip. That
> could be a bad combination.
>
> It *is* a great tool for whipping up lots of people who aren't inclined to
> think for themselves, and getting them swept up into somebody else's
> emotional agenda, without having to be fettered by trackable facts.
> IMO that makes it an instrument whose only use is peer pressure by those
> who are susceptible to brainless emotionalism, and by those who want to
> manipulate others by using peer pressure. Bad juju IMHO.
> For anyone whose passion is learning, there is nothing of substance on
> Facebook.
>
> Namaste,
> Linda :-)
>

You stated the basic fact so precisely I can hardly add a thing. Classic &
thanks, Linda, you really nailed it.
All this certainly falls under the domain of the three permaculture ethics.
This list neither adds or takes away anything from discussion. It is just a
vehicle for conversation, a plain brown wrapper, generic online public
resource, digital paper and pencil. FarceBunk is a tool for surveillance
and intelligence gathering. Every list in existence probably is also. FB,
Twitter, Instagram, Imgur, Pinterest, Reddit are not places to go to
develop and deploy a collaborative knowledgebase. This list is far beyond
any social media resource in that respect. The better ones of those are
about news worth reading to stay properly informed through cascading
comments and links to external sites, Tsu, Voat, Snapzu, Hubski and
Google+ and sometimes Reddit, Pinterest and Ello are a few of those This
list can do the same thing and you can do highly organized searches of the
archives, something not possible with social media.


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