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  • From: Leigh Blackall <leighblackall AT gmail.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [ccAustralia] CC licenses in education- a case study
  • Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 11:47:22 +1100

Thanks Phil, a reasonable reply on their behalf I think.

To respond and keep the thread going until if/when COFA reps respond, I find NC ambiguous. Some people seem to mean it as 'Not for Profit", others might mean, "Commercial gain is ok, so long as access is preserved". To me, none of these mean "Non Commercial", or because of the ambiguity - whether strictly speaking or just in terms of my individual interpretation, I read it as "Not to be used commercially". If the authors choose to place it on Youtube, obviously a commercial setting, and involving direct commercial dealings for Google, that's their call I guess. Just more contradiction to me. 

Aside from that, the NC restriction prevents me taking a copy and placing it on sites that only support Free Cultural Works, such as Wikimedia Commons and all the learning projects associated to that. I doubt the authors meant that to be a consequence, or maybe they did, either way, it won't appear on there without revisiting the restrictions. 

ND is a no brainer. If integrity was at stake, I would have thought contradictions or hypocrisy in the message would be more of an issue. Especially in that the message is largely appropriated from elsewhere anyway.

And finally, as an Australian, I'm embarrassed to see my educational institutions so miserly with their offerings, so unwilling to be generous, so unashamed in their commercial thinking, and so high minded as to want to restrict remix, and just so out of step with the academics speaking on their video, and the more progressive thinking around all this. Its why I pointed to the recommendations endorsed by Australian Government Department of Finance and Deregulation, stipulating that Public Service Information agencies should default license to CC By unless a compelling reason exists not to. That's the Australian Government more progressive that Universities!! OMG the times we live in...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is ALTC a PSI agency? What percentage of COFA and UNSW is Publicly funded and does that make it in part a Public Service Information agency? As yet I see no compelling reason for this video to be anything but CC By.

I hope COFA and ALTC don't become some sort of benchmark of good communicative practice with this, which is why I feel a need to call them on it. 


On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Phillip Long <longpd AT uq.edu.au> wrote:
Leigh - good questions.  I'm actually wondering if the NC, ND constraints are as inhibiting as you're portraying them to be. I thought that NC meant that video couldn't be redistributed for commercial gain (as in appropriated by a 3rd party who then charged for access). If the video were instead put up on a commercial website that was freely available to anyone, as the YouTube distribution represents, then isn't the NC restriction still preserved?  Wouldn't that still allow you to distributed it through your own unveristy website, for example? Why does it prevent you from putting it up on other commercial video sharing sites, as long as the access to it remains 'free' to the general public?

The ND clause to me is understandable but not necessarily helpful. I can see Project Litto wanting to preserve the editorial integrity of the video the produced. Mashups, re-edits, clips etc., challenge they're initial storytelling intent. On the otherhand, that's exactly what I hoped this would foster - creative mashups that allowed this material to be leveraged, not with the intent of changing the message or in its most cyncial interpretation used to express an entirely different message from the original contributors intent, but with the idea of localising better in different contexts. The ND clause is indeed a heavy handed way of preventing that, and I have to agree, unncessarily restrictive. 

Regards,
Phil


Phillip Long, Prof. & Director

University of Queensland, Australia

On 06/03/2011, at 8:11 PM, Leigh Blackall wrote:

I'm interested why/how the video came to wear the license Non Commercial and No Derivatives? I saw no content within it that forced that...

Tama encouraged educational media producers, even students to use more liberal licenses, but was left high and dry by the producers of this video, looking slightly hypocritical as a result. 

The Non Commercial restriction prevents me loading it to other commercially sustained video sharing sites, certainly most educational institutions these days, perhaps that was precisely the reason, this is the Australian education sector after all.. The No Derivative restriction prevents transcriptions, translations, sub titling, or maybe even copying it into an open standard format. Certainly I can't do anything with it but watch it at the location prescribe by the College. 

I don't mean to be harsh, but how does the College, with a pretty high percentage of funding from Australian taxes, justify these restrictions? How did Tama come to give release for recordings of his face and words in this? Especially when it portrays the producers, and even Tama by association, as being more conservative than the Australian Government these days! 

There must be a reason, I'd like to know, it wasn't apparent in the video.

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Jessica Coates <j2.coates AT qut.edu.au> wrote:
Excellent advocating, sir
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From: cc-au-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [cc-au-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Tama Leaver [tamaleaver AT gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 3 March 2011 9:55 AM
Cc: Elke Dawson
Subject: Re: [ccAustralia] CC licenses in education- a case study

Hi Catherine,

Glad it looks useful for your purposes. :) The point of the videos is
to share them, so obviously you can embed the YouTube video right now
if you want to.  The video us up under a CC license (BY NC ND), but if
you want a decent quality version, you might want to contact the COFA
team who filmed and made the videos.  The main contact person for this
is Simon McIntyre (LTTO Project Leader) s.mcintyre AT unsw.edu.au (Phone
+61 2 9385 0631).

Cheers,
Tama



On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Copyright <copyright AT cqu.edu.au> wrote:
> Dear Tama,
>
> Would it be ok if I was to upload this video on our institution's websites especially the Library one and the copyright one. I'm encouraging lecturers to use CC materials and these videos would be really helpful.
>
> Regards,
>
> Catherine Wattiaux  :   Copyright & Repository Services Librarian
>
> CQUniversity
> Building 41/ 47
> Bruce Highway
> Rockhampton QLD 4702
> copyright AT cqu.edu.au
> Fax: + 07 4930 6381 Ph.: + 07 4923 2660
> http://www.copyright.cqu.edu.au
> University Copyright Network ucn-list AT cqu.edu.au
>
> Keep informed - Rockhampton Library Refurbishment Project  www.cqu.edu.au/library2011
> Please Use the "Reply all" feature on your e-mail.
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cc-au-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:cc-au-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Tama Leaver
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2011 8:40 PM
> To: cc-au AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [ccAustralia] CC licenses in education- a case study
>
> Hi All,
>
> Of interest for CC users in Australia, and especially Australian
> educators, the COFA team have put together a series of online video
> and teaching and learning, with one in particular that I contributed
> to called "Understanding Creative Commons - Case Study" which examines
> using CC licenses in education (especially where students are creating
> media). It's basically a 9 minute YouTube clip and a related PDF fact
> sheet.   This might be useful for some folks on this list, so the link
> is http://online.cofa.unsw.edu.au/learning-to-teach-online/ltto-episodes?view=video&video=239
> or you can jump straight to the YouTube clip
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYhIsItdue4
>
> Cheers,
> Tama
>
> --
> Dr Tama Leaver
> Lecturer in Internet Studies
> Faculty of Humanities, Curtin University of Technology
> GPO Box U1987 Perth WA Australia 6845
> Phone: (+61 8) 9266 1258
> Fax: (+61 8) 9266 3166
> Email: t.leaver AT curtin.edu.au
> Web: www.tamaleaver.net
>
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Faculty of Humanities, Curtin University of Technology
GPO Box U1987 Perth WA Australia 6845
Phone: (+61 8) 9266 1258
Fax: (+61 8) 9266 3166
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