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  • From: Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>
  • To: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
  • Cc: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] 'iysh and zakar
  • Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:55:05 -0800 (PST)

Of course 'ish is used in various idiomatic ways. To take just one example
in Judg. 17:6b : "people did what they wished" -- a precise but not literal
translation -- 'ish clearly stands for the population as a whole. But when
the scribe composed this beautiful verse ( to which my translation really
does no justice) women simply were not in his mind as an active part of
society who has a right to chose.This is tragically the case to this day in
more than one part of the world.
Thus while the meaning of 'ish is much broader than original one, it cannot
be claimed to reprersernt both sexes.

Uri

Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org> wrote:
.......

...."Anyway, the "exceptions" I quoted are by no means
unique, it is regular usage for 'ish, especially repeated as 'ish 'ish,
to mean "each" in a gender neutral way."




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On 28/02/2005 17:51, C. Stirling Bartholomew wrote:

>Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org> wrote:
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>
>
>>the referents may include women as in Job
>>42:11
>>
>>
>
>R. Gordis (Book ofJob.1978) disagrees. He renders )y$ in 42:11 "each man."
>Do you really think Job's sisters were in the position socially to be giving
>him gifts, transferring wealth that was not theirs to give?
>
>
>
Clay, I am not sure, but this is what BDB says and what the text seemed
to say to me at first sight. As for the social situation of Job's
sisters, from a land and society of which we know almost nothing, how
can we know what they might have been able to give?


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