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  • From: mike AT appelstein.com
  • To: typicalgirls AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] books!
  • Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 12:00:49 -0500

Whatever criticisms I had of Rip It Up had mostly to do with my own bias - e.g. more about ZTT than I'll ever need to know. Whether or not the book makes the reader feel "stuck up" is an entirely separate and subjective matter having nothing to do with the author's intentions. That's such a juvenile criticism - it's down there with "you just like it because it's on an indie label." Is this reviewer in 9th grade or something?

-Mike


Quoting kelli AT goodgrrrldesign.com:

that book has been around for years and yes, it is pretty cool.

isn't it equally snobby though to slam people because they aren't lo-brow
enough. Maybe I'm just crabby today, but I found Simon's book a really
amazing cultural analysis, very inspiring and exciting. But well, maybe I
am an art snob, so be it.

it just really bothers me how judgemental people can be on either side of
the fence, there are great things in both academic cultural anaylsis and
teenagers making zines and putting on shows. so why waste energy being
negative. It's all good and worth while and it's hard enough to take a
stand and be "counter-cultural" so hey, lets just be happy there are
people doing it however they see fit.



Here's a cute little dig at Simon Reynolds' book, plus a mention of a book
I haven't seen yet but sounds good...

from Anne Ishii's favorite books of 2006...
"'Fucked Up and Photocopied' by Bryan Ray Turcotte and Christopher T.
Miller. Created with an attitude that matches the attitude of the subject
matter (hard-core/punk and the art of its flyers). The commentary made me
alternately proud to be into this kind of music and embarrassed that I
would be stuck up about it. Good counterbalance to 'Rip It Up & Start
Again' which only entitled you to be stuck up and inevitably forced pop
music connoisseurs to question its definitive-ness."
http://www.vertical-inc.com/blog/

Despite all that, it's thanks to this list that I first heard about the
Simon Reynolds book, and the recommendation to buy the brit import because
it had a few more chapters.
- Lani


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