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  • From: "Sergey A. Lipnevich" <sergey AT optimaltec.com>
  • To: Duane Malcolm <d.malcolm AT auckland.ac.nz>
  • Cc: Source Mage - Users <sm-users AT lists.ibiblio.org>, sm-discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org, Andrew <afrayedknot AT thefrayedknot.armory.com>, Source Mage - Grimoire <sm-grimoire AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [SM-Discuss] Re: [SM-Grimoire] Re: [SM-Users] tinderboxes
  • Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:33:36 -0400

Guys, since I'm not very knowledgeable in this, feel free to correct, but wouldn't user-mode Linux support in 2.6 make it easier than chroot? Can you maybe test the 2.6 kernel with more spells and start using its features? I can only see an obstacle of NPTL in the way, but I think we have to switch to NPTL anyway if we want to remain current.

Sergey.

Duane Malcolm wrote:



Andrew wrote:

I had thought to use tinderboxes purely to test software, the wetware and UI problem with sorcery i see as a different issue. Having said that i do see how it could be used to report bugs for sorcery, but it would be hard to simulate the stupidity of some people... Should we really try to do that or should we help the sorcery team idiot-proof their code some other way ?



I guess im not doing a good job explaining myself. Im not really talking
about idiot-proofness. More along the lines of some newbie out there
wants to install some number of spells and following the instructions
types cast <list>, then proceeds to let all the defaults go by (or
something). There arent many real problems with sorcery at this point,
at least very few that a tinderbox the way I think we are envisioning
it can catch. What I think we are after is making sure spells install
properly under different conditions, which we as developers cant always
catch since we dont have the time to test our spells manually on n
different setups.

Anyone else interested? How about that irc design meeting?

There wouldn't be much work in implementing both systems would there. One system casts a random list of spells to check different configurations and the other casts a fixed list of spells, which are the basic install spells (base system, xfree, maybe ked and gnome). And then reporting on sucesses and failures.

I would support a chroot system, where while I sleep I'll tell my PC to go into tinderbox mode (chroot) and cast 8 hours of random spells and report on them. Then it either submits the report or I could browse it, for simple problems such as failed download due to no network, and then manually commit it.

I am interested in the reporting system and how to collate the reports in an intelligently to find problems.

"The FireBrigade" isn't really magic oriented is it??







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