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[Thomas Orgis <thomas-forum AT orgis.org>]

Am Sat, 02 May 2015 17:13:46 -0500
schrieb David Kowis <dkowis AT shlrm.org>: 

> On 05/02/2015 04:13 PM, Vlad Glagolev wrote:
> > Hello all!

> > At the end, I vote for getting back to bugzilla and putting it as our
> > bug-tracker along with the new website[2], speaking of which, yet
> > another month has passed over

> Are you calling for an official vote, and if so, exactly what is it you
> are calling for a vote on?

Well, perhaps we actually can have a nice little vote about the bug
tracker. It makes more sense if there's an opposing path forward, too,
though. Also I'd fear that there's a vote and nobody shows up.

I think it's a given that the current tracker is not really working. It had
me also confused that the sorcery tracker is to be found at a different
place (grimoire and sorcery being separate projects on the chiliproject
platform). Also I have a hard time getting folks to work with me on the
tracker, for some reason. Vlad: Does bugzilla have proper mail
integration like the Debian one? I really like to be able to add to bug
discussions using my mail client …

And yes, we actually had processes around the old tracker.

I'm a fan of not tampering with history and thus also see value
in keeping old referenced bugs around. Too often I see problems
recurring, hacks loosing context and calling to be re-applied. It also
sucks that bug IDs mentioned in HISTORY and commit messages loose
meaning or are reappearing after a tool change. I wonder how Vlad
intends to integrate the chili issues.

This also ties in with the whole website thing.

> Unfortunately, if there had been progress, it would've been reported.
> 
> I have been reasonably transparent regarding the amount of time I have
> for server things and I believe our server admin has as well.
> 
> Dates cannot be promised. Is this no longer acceptable?

I tend towards suggesting that "acceptable" has its limits. We're all
doing this in spare time (that we do or do not have, besides existing
or non-existing real lives), there's no support contract and binding
obligations besides the social stuff.

After some time you cannot avoid noticing that Vlad is really putting a
lot of work into this. Revitalizing the whole website from the … let's
say "sorry" … state we have now. Way to spend the holidays. Now all
this crazy work on the bug tracker. Doing some grimoire releases in
between, too.

David, wouldn't you also be a teeny little bit frustrated if _nothing_
happens after several months? I don't want to blame folks, and of
course everyone has constraints, but don't you think Vlad deserves some
reaction to this _huge_ amount of work he invested in SMGL?

I'm amazed at the enthusiasm Vlad still shows. Clearly there's a lot of
self-motivation going on.

Back to the server … what about the suggestion for setting up a proxy?
I'm not sure how well that would work technically, but this should be
doable without being present at the site. I'd also have though that
it's possible to set up the new website on the thing if replacing the
hardware just takes too much time.


Alrighty then,

Thomas

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