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[Hamish Greig <hgreig AT bigpond.net.au>]

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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:34, Seth Alan Woolley wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 05:52:18PM +1000, Hamish Greig wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:37, Seth Alan Woolley wrote:
> > > Never attribute to malice...
> > >
> > > More than likely nobody's watching the moderated messages too closely.
> > > They collect a lot of spam.
> > >
> > > I know you don't feel good about the project and feel everybody's out
> > > to get you, but maybe taking things a bit more lightly is in order.
> > >
> > > Seriously, what would we gain from deleting yuor messages?  By this
> > > time, it's starting to get a bit old.
> >
> > I thought thats what I said.
> > I guess I'll book myself in for an adult english class straight away,
> > that might avoid future problems.
>
> No, your degrading and conspiratorial antics are getting old.  Nobody's
> deleting your messages.  If you aren't subscribed, chances are the
> messages don't get through.  In your study of our censorship, did you
> send a control message, a test probe not associated to yourself so as to
> see if there was really prejudicial malice?  Of course not, it's not
> particularly high on your agenda to undermine circumstances which would
> indicate that the problem wasn't indeed simply laziness.
>

You amuse me Seth, I was honestly saying there was a problem with the mailman 
software. 

I know some of the people who used to have access to moderate messages, I 
know 
some emails had previously been deleted without any comment and I also know 
before I left that some people were deleting any email received from me 
without reading it. It is not a stretch of the imagination, vanity, 
narcissism or paranoia to think it could have been intentional. When it 
happened on a message that no-one would not benefit from deleting I then knew 
it was not just any persons actions so I alerted the list. I even said in 
that message that I didn't think it was any person, but instead the software.

You can choose to interpret my actions however you want, please remember my 
agenda is just to stop distribution of my name and email address all over the 
internet in association with your product. I have reason enough to request 
that simple thing and while I don't resent anyone at smgl , I do have a very 
low opinion of a few people and absolutely no compunction about broadcasting 
that opinion. I won't apologise for that.
Contrary to your comments, I don't think people are out to get me, I don't 
resent anyone still using smgl, I don't think there has been some conspiracy 
or that I have been politically out-manouvred in some backroom, I chose to 
leave.
I looked but didn't find any project that offered the same good features as 
yours, and not wanting to support/ignore the problems I have already 
mentioned I chose to start work on my own version instead of rejoin smgl.
I thought you knew me better than it appears, but you should still know me 
well enough to expect a reply everytime you add me as CC to an email. So if 
you want to stop hearing from me, stop sending me messages.

Goodnight and good luck with your fork too.

Hamish
> We've tried to build up a community of respect and rationality.  As many
> times as I've tried to reason with you, after a while, it just becomes
> not worth it.  One of the downfalls of being a member of a community is
> you don't get to run it as you see fit.  The group gets to plot the
> course.  If you don't like the speed of democracy, don't take it out on
> the rest of the developers by spamming the lists with your accusatory
> drivel.
>
> There's only so much vengeful nonsense once can exude while plotting
> against a long-time member of the community and the community itself
> before it becomes unacceptable even for liberal folk.  I'm asking you to
> finally respect us our peace and voluntarily end your messages which at
> this time have lost any meaning.
>
> Perhaps it's a good thing people don't feel like deleting your presence.
> It's becoming an excellent example of what not to do when you want to
> enact change.  To be honest, before you showed up, the atmosphere was a
> lot more welcoming.  But merit in one thing can be hurt by your
> disrespect of a lot of developers that complained in secret of your lack
> of etiquette in your disagreements.  Things with you have simply gone
> over the line of respectability.
>
> In sum, please don't opportunistically extort our openness.
>
> Seth
>
> > > So, good luck on your fork,
> > >
> > > Seth
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 03:02:40PM +1000, Hamish Greig wrote:
> > > > before I unsubscribe once more I wanted to notify whoever is
> > > > responsible of a problem with the mailman software.
> > > > Because I wasn't subscribed, my original "fairytale" and my
> > > > immediately previous email were awaiting moderator approval, but both
> > > > were deleted while awaiting moderation, and no reason sent to me. (I
> > > > had unsubscribed again after my response to Seth and sandalle)
> > > > I first expected the "fairytale" was in fact deleted on purpose by
> > > > someone who felt they had something to hide or something to lose by
> > > > letting it go through, but my last email could not be considered
> > > > inflammatory to anyone or anything and it was also deleted with no
> > > > reason or notification, so I guess it must be the software and not
> > > > the moderator himself/herself.
> > > >
> > > > Hamish
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > SM-Discuss mailing list
> > > > SM-Discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/sm-discuss
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