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["Sergey A. Lipnevich" <sergeyli AT pisem.net>]

Sounds great. I wonder if I could get a job creating a GRE-based app 
;-). Gecko and MRE are really great stuff, a little behind their time 
though, and here I'm really sad :-(.

Rob Helmer wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
> I don't think anyone answered this, sorry to dredge up an old thread :)
>
> The Phoenix-only skin "Que" is the reason to have a Phoenix spell, of 
> course :)
> http://robert.namodn.com/images/phoenix_que.png
>
> Serially though, Phoenix is much more of a seperation from the core 
> Mozilla components than the Mozilla "browser only" is, the eventual goal 
> is to have it use an installed Gecko Runtime Environment 
> ( http://mozilla.org/projects/embedding/MRE.html ) rather than the user
> having to have a big Mozilla installation for every Gecko/XUL-based app.
>
> Phoenix is also a redesign of the browser front-end, and it's alot faster.
> One of the ideas behind Phoenix is to strip out extraneous functionality
> from the core browser as much as possible, and make it very easy
> to add/enable/disable/remove add-ons ( like those from mozdev.org ).
>
> Phoenix also lets you edit the toolbars and move the icons around,
> which is neat. It has it's own skins too, although traditional Mozilla
> browser skins and addons can be updated to support Phoenix very easily
> ( trickiest part is supporting uninstallation, most skins/addons don't
> do this yet, Mozilla didn't provide a generic mechanism like Phoenix does ).
>
> The current Mozilla browser is very hooked into alot of big components,
> like the editor/composer stuff, and it doesn't have very clean hooks to
> external applications. Phoenix doesn't yet, but hopefully will soon.
>
> Eventually there will probably need to be a GRE and XRE ( XUL runtime
> env. ) spell that Phoenix and Thunderbird ( the standalone mail client ) 
> depend on, and Galeon/Skipstone/etc can just depend on GRE and not need the
> whole Mozilla, and it'll be much easier to make standalone XUL/XPCOM
> applications. And, a stupid browser plugin crash won't crash your
> mail client anymore ( if you use Mozilla mail ) :)
>
>
>
> --
> Rob
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:43:48PM -0400, Sergey A Lipnevich wrote:
>  
>
> > Apart from having one more spell, what's the difference between Phoenix 
> > and Mozilla without mail/composer/irc client (available with properly 
> > configured mozilla spell)?
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Geoffrey Derber wrote:
> >
> >    
> >
> > > I posted something about this on the forums a couple weeks ago.  
> > > Xenith said he's working on one.
> > >
> > > http://forums.sourcemage.org/viewtopic.php?t=121
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > Nick Jennings wrote:
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > > > Yes, I'd love to see a phoenix spell (and a mozilla-devel spell for 
> > > > that matter).
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 01:20:58PM -0700, Eric Sandall wrote:
> > > >
> > > >        
> > > >
> > > > > Has anyone been working on a phoenix spell?  If not, perhaps we 
> > > > > should?  I
> > > > > (and probably many others) just use Mozilla to browse the internet, not
> > > > > for everything else which it includes (chat,mail,news,etc.).
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/phoenix-release-notes.html
> > > > >
> > > > > -One of Four
> > > > > a.k.a. sandalle
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