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[Ryan Abrams <rabrams AT sourcemage.org>]

There is no need for a second bugzilla. We just need people to use the 
first.

We could add a category for submitted spells if we chose. Or we could 
find another way to handle them.

There needs to be something. We can discuss it at the meeting

-Ryan

On Saturday, September 7, 2002, at 11:20  AM, Tom Garland wrote:

> Conversation between toga and Bernardo on Sept. 7, 2002.
>
>
> <toga> OK, I'm throughly disgusted with how submitted spells are not 
> handled
> very well. I am willing, hopefully with some help, such as a kde and a 
> gnome
> person to clean-up and try to get it so submitted spells get the 
> attention
> they need. I think that submitted spells should have their own 
> permanent
> list/status in the wiki to start with.
> <Bernardo> toga: If I just had the guarantee I would have time, I'd 
> offer
> myself... I can test some kde spells, but don't have much more time.
> <toga> Thanks Bernardo, I'm just throwing this out right now to see 
> what I
> can get going ;)
> <toga> A way to handle submitted spells in a more consistent way.
> <Bernardo> The bugzilla "solution" for submitted isn't working...
> <Bernardo> I know I have submitted a few spells (only to the mailing 
> list)
> that haven't made it to the grimoire, despite working well (afaik)
> <toga> I know, this is what I want to fix, such as 'Get submitted 
> [section]'
> will get a list of submitted spells and a team to handle them all.
> <toga> I'll start with a team of one (me) ;)
> <Bernardo> toga, first we need to have a "consistent and track able" 
> way of
> submitting spells. Bugzilla is one approach, but I don't think it 
> should be
> the bug reporting one.
> <Bernardo> Maybe a second Bugzilla, just for new spells?
> <Bernardo> that would keep things separated, a guru could get a spell
> assigned to him when he was testing/adding it to the grimoire
> <toga> I think logically/internally handling SS (submitted spells) the 
> same
> as the grimoire/codex makes sense. Even with the possibility of 
> casting from
> that list (SS).
> <Bernardo> you lost me there
> <toga> Like it's another source for spells, but for testing/submission 
> only.
> <toga> Real bleeding edge.
> <toga> That way anyone interested could test too.
> <Bernardo> a second codex? That would require enabling multiple 
> codexes,
> which afaik isn't finished/tested yet, right?
> <Bernardo> That would allow testing by everyone, but wouldn't be
> accountable.
> <Bernardo> I think a source control system should be used for spells,
> lacking that a bugzilla system would be good.
> <toga> Don't know the status of that, but more like a a forth 
> grimoire/codex,
> stable, test, devel and submitted,
> <toga> Part of the flat codex I think
> <Bernardo> flipsidejones: is there a flat codex already?
> <Bernardo> toga: the reason I am insisting so in accountability, is 
> that
> spells just don't sit on the submission queue for ages...
> <toga> cast a spell looks at stable>test>devel>submitted if you are 
> useing
> devel. Stops at test if your using test, etc.
> <toga> Bernardo: I agree, I'm willing to lead the effort and team to 
> do it.
> * toga has seen too many spells fall by the wayside :(
> * Bernardo knows that feeling
> <Bernardo> yes, but you need to have a way to control if a spell has 
> been
> forgotten, or is just being edited because of some problem
> <toga> Any submitted spell will ALWAYS be in the list, all will have a
> status.
> <toga> Never forgotten, come back a year after it was submitted and 
> anyone
> could pick it up and run with it.
> <toga> Any accepted spell fall off of the list.
> <Bernardo> toga, if you use bugzilla or somesuch, you can guarantee 
> that.
> otherwise, just a lost email can mess things up.
> <toga> Flag in config says if you want to look in submitted for spells.
> <toga> Bernardo: It's all in the SS, handled as part of the codex.
> <Bernardo> OK, ss it is, but a simple way to submit, for guys that 
> never use
> cvs? :-)
> <toga> To start with though, I am willing to use the wiki for now as a
> temporary measure.
> <toga> Still use spell-submit, Me or my hopefully team will pick them 
> up
> from there.
> <Bernardo> what I think we need is a form that accepts a tarball, a
> description, and the author's email, and puts that on a "processing 
> queue"
> <Bernardo> then, we can add it to the wiki, to cvs, or what you feel is
> better.
> <toga> That can be worked out later, I'm trying to get something 
> working
> asap as a foot in the door so to speak.
> <Bernardo> ok... Then why not bugzilla? it is there, working.
> <toga> Could still use it too. I'm willing to check it everyday also.
> <Bernardo> I still think that a grimoire team bugzilla could be the 
> best
> starting point as the "spell depot". A user/spell writer could check 
> and see
> what is happening with the spell he sent
> <toga> Bernardo: That's the goal, but can't do it in a day ;)
> <Bernardo> toga: I don't know, having never set up  bugzilla myself. 
> But
> what would cost us to have a second bugzilla running from a
> www.sourcemage.org link? How much time, and who could set it up?
>
>
> The Bernardo and toga team ;)
>
> Please carry on this thread here and irc. We need to get something
> going before the 1.0 release, the sooner the better.
>
> Have Fun! toga
>
>
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