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  • From: Michael Pilarski <friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] EcoAg Partners
  • Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 18:25:43 +0000 (UTC)

Afew comments on EcoAg.  I have been tracking them a bit for a couple
ofdecades (even before they coined the term ecoag).  They came out of
(Ibelieve) the World Resources Institute in Washington DC.  I highlyrecommend
everyone read their 2004 book Ecoagriculture,by Jeffrey A. McNeeely and Sara
J. Scherr. 2004. Island Press. On pages100-103 they compare quite a number of
models of agriculture and naturalresource management, including permaculture
and HM.  This book laid thegroundwork for what they call ecoagriculture. It
is interesting to note that they do not mention Biodynamics or
GrowBiointensive in their comparisons.   Their assessment of permaculture was
not correct.Whoever wrote that section is not very conversant with
permaculture and so theydid not rate it that highly compared to their own
ecoagriculture. I would begto differ.  I wish permaculture had anorganization
that was as well funded as Ecoag.  Ijust spent some time looking around their
very impressive website.  They are doing lots of great work, have lotsof
great on-the-ground partners and have useful publications and analyses.  Well
worth studying.   Aword of caution.  Their staff are, by andlarge, highly
educated, university-trained, highly paid professionals. This isnot the
grassroots.  Rather this is partof the reform wing within the establishment
that recognizes that a dead world isn’tgood for business.  They are tied in
withbig funders and unlikely to bite the hand that feeds them.  They are not
likely to lead a change in whocontrols the world’s power.  They are reformers
rather than radicals. They have good connections with the World Bank, IUCN,
UN agencies,etc.  In other words they are part of theestablishment.  
Thatsaid, I would encourage collaboration with them where possible
(withoutcompromising principles). I don’t expect that, by and large, they
will welcomepermaculture as a whole within their fold. We are too radical
andgrass-roots.  However, individuals aremore likely to be open to
collaboration then the organization as a whole.   Of course, I’d be happy to
hear the opinions of other peoplewho are familiar with them and their work. I
have my biases.
- Michael Pilarski
 



On Friday, October 14, 2016 10:17 AM, Lawrence London
<lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:


Attn: Steve

>From the Sanet thread:

Kris Johnson writes:

EcoAg Partners, as an organization, seems to be doing good work, as related
here in Kenya

http://ecoagriculture.org/project/farming-with-nature-
in-the-highlands-of-kenya/

There values are good
http://ecoagriculture.org/about/#values

Our Vision

EcoAgriculture Partners strives for a world where agricultural communities
manage their landscapes to simultaneously enhance rural livelihoods,
conserve biodiversity and ecosystem services, and sustainably produce
crops, livestock, fish, and fiber.

Our Values

EcoAgriculture Partners emphasizes respect for cultural diversity and
self-determination. We work with a wide range of partners and collaborators
– from farmers and community organizations to international businesses,
policy makers, and donors – providing direct support, education, training,
research, and policy analysis to help these groups participate in and
benefit from effective landscape management.

and they have good bios on their team, which is quite extensive, and their
board.

LL writes:

That is all good. I hope they are able to follow through with
implementation of their program through their client corporations.
This seems like a new thing and I hope we see more organizations getting
involved in similar efforts
This use of the term landscapes is new to me; I have never run across that
until now.
When will they get involved with permaculture, the logical strategy for
them to make use of.



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On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Michael Pilarski <
friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Afew comments on EcoAg. I have been tracking them a bit for a couple
> ofdecades (even before they coined the term ecoag). They came out of
> (Ibelieve) the World Resources Institute in Washington DC. I
> highlyrecommend everyone read their 2004 book Ecoagriculture,by Jeffrey A.
> McNeeely and Sara J. Scherr. 2004. Island Press. On pages100-103 they
> compare quite a number of models of agriculture and naturalresource
> management, including permaculture and HM. This book laid thegroundwork
> for what they call ecoagriculture. It is interesting to note that they do
> not mention Biodynamics or GrowBiointensive in their comparisons. Their
> assessment of permaculture was not correct.Whoever wrote that section is
> not very conversant with permaculture and so theydid not rate it that
> highly compared to their own ecoagriculture. I would begto differ. I wish
> permaculture had anorganization that was as well funded as Ecoag. Ijust
> spent some time looking around their very impressive website. They are
> doing lots of great work, have lotsof great on-the-ground partners and have
> useful publications and analyses. Well worth studying. Aword of
> caution. Their staff are, by andlarge, highly educated,
> university-trained, highly paid professionals. This isnot the grassroots.
> Rather this is partof the reform wing within the establishment that
> recognizes that a dead world isn’tgood for business. They are tied in
> withbig funders and unlikely to bite the hand that feeds them. They are
> not likely to lead a change in whocontrols the world’s power. They are
> reformers rather than radicals. They have good connections with the World
> Bank, IUCN, UN agencies,etc. In other words they are part of
> theestablishment. Thatsaid, I would encourage collaboration with them
> where possible (withoutcompromising principles). I don’t expect that, by
> and large, they will welcomepermaculture as a whole within their fold. We
> are too radical andgrass-roots. However, individuals aremore likely to be
> open to collaboration then the organization as a whole. Of course, I’d be
> happy to hear the opinions of other peoplewho are familiar with them and
> their work. I have my biases.
> - Michael Pilarski
>
>
>
Maybe this will be useful:
I will forward to sanet any replies to this from Kris:
"Permaculture generally seems aimed at family food production more than
gardening for a bigger market. Any thoughts or resources on that?"

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Kris Johnson RR <cjohnson143@woh.rr.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SANET-MG] The business of landscapes, eco agriculture,
sustainable agriculture, sustainable development (links to websites)
To: sanet-mg@googlegroups.com


If you click on a team member photo, http://ecoagriculture.org/
about/our-team/, you get to their bio and there is a button to contact
them. So you can communicate with them about permaculture. Permaculture
generally seems aimed at family food production more than gardening for a
bigger market. Any thoughts or resources on that?
Kris
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
*To:* sanet-mg@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 1:12 PM
*Subject:* Re: [SANET-MG] The business of landscapes, eco agriculture,
sustainable agriculture, sustainable development (links to websites)


On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Kris Johnson RR <cjohnson143@woh.rr.com>
wrote:

> and they have good bios on their team, which is quite extensive, and their
> board.


That is all good. I hope they are able to follow through with
implementation of their program through their client corporations.
This seems like a new thing and I hope we see more organizations getting
involved in similar efforts
This use of the term landscapes is new to me; I have never run across that
until now.
When will they get involved with permaculture, the logical strategy for
them to make use of.


--
Lawrence F. London, Jr.
lfljvenaura@gmail.com
https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared




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