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[Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>]

*OT did you ever buy that bar you were talking about?*

No LL...the beer industry and pubs in NZ is declining rapidly. But with a
bit of creativity it could have worked. Our own boutique brewing would be
one start. The pub is still for sale if you want to escape.

We got a really nice 13 acres river shelf rich alluvial temperate north
island of NZ, instead and am building that to a model.

Steve Hart

On 14 October 2016 at 14:28, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > LL
> >
> > A brief answer to your comments on this subject. I have been involved
> > through my entire career journey trying to work on the inside in this
> > industry. As an Architect, Landscape Architect and Urban Designer on a
> very
> > wide range of projects for all layers of society in many countries,
> > including research and academia. It is hard work, without much success.
> > After being confused over this and discussing such with others more
> learned
> > in this than myself and realising wider observations and realisations,
> > including much discussion with Teddy Goldsmith I am now convinced there
> is
> > a carefully managed strategic plan for the organisations that we abhore
> to
> > manipulate every entity across the world, infiltrate all our work and
> > manipulate it to their own ends.
> >
>
>
> > You may right this off as you freely have
> > done in the past.
> >
>
> Never did anything of the sort. What is going on in your head?
> OT did you ever buy that bar you were talking about? :-)
>
>
> > But, you asked for my response. This organisation that I
> > have highlighted in this debate is a classic example. Ordinarily to the
> > unwashed one would assume it would be automatic to invite Permaculture
> > specialists to offer inputs. Sorry they do not want such. They do not
> want
> > our solutions. Their agendas are very different to ours.
> >
> > Perhaps the "Next Big Step" programme we are evolving will offer some
> > insight into this reality to give us and our future our own strategies
> for
> > intervention and infiltration. Or perhaps we look at quite different
> > strategies and create our own models and pathways. But, it still remains
> ,
> >
>
> That is encouraging. Stabilizing the public perception of what permaculture
> really is and how it is taught
> using Mollison's 72 hour PDC or preferably a 72 hour advanced PDC could
> form the baseis for a proactive permaculture movement that moves into the
> future bringing along many enthusiastic people. I see great potential here.
> Build communities and make them independent and sovereign as far as
> possible, sustainable and hosting unique local economies that retain income
> generated by entities within.
> Look at the Mondragon concept and that of worker owned corporations..
>
>
> > we must become more aware of what our real challenges are and dare i say
> it
> > who our enemies really are and what their agendas and programmes are.
> Steve
> > Hart
> >
>
> My input in another forum will give you a clear picture of my sentiments
> about the relationship between ordinary working, community-minded folks and
> multinational corporate juggernauts.
> <>
> Listening to Here and Now talk show on public radio now. They just
> interviewed a large scale cotton farmer about the flooding and how he has
> been affected. He was almost in tears. He has an enormous investment in
> land and equipment. The floods have caused widespread, crippling damage to
> his crops. No telliing how much financial loss he will suffer. Asked if he
> would quit farming, he said no, this is my life and I will keep on farming.
> He has gone through hurricanes and associated flooding but he says this is
> just rain and is worse than anything he has been through ever before.
> During the interview he made the comment that "we don't have a voice in
> Washington anymore".
> The doors of the USDA and the FDA have been ripped off the hinges and
> replaced with one of those fancy revolving models.
> I read somewhere that big ag/mulinational agribusiness/chemical-
> pesticide-gmo-biotech-automated-robotics-prescription multinational
> corporate agriculture, specifically Monsanto, Bayer and their accomplices
> in environmental, economic and social destruction won't rest until they
> have rid the world of independent, traditional, small-medium-large farming
> and peasant farmers. I was born in N.C., grew up here, had ancestors who
> farmed in Eastern and Piedmont NC and always thought that our local food
> supply would in great part come from producers within one hundred miles of
> us.
> In the sixties and seventies I cultivated a vision for American
> agriculture. It revolved around a network of independent farms using
> chemical methods but moving toward natural throughout our country. The
> image of big sky and endless acres of fertile permanent farmland came to
> mind.
> Maybe this will come to pass eventually.
> <>
>  Do you think this will come to pass with either Donald Trump or Hillary
> Clinton in the White House?
> Well, I know you would prefer Stein and I would prefer Bernie
> but..............
> Considering what is at stake for big agribusiness do you actually think it
> matters who gets elected?
> I hear the fix is in regardless of the outcome. In other words, to answer
> your quesion honestly,
> neither one or it doesn't matter. Cynicism at its best. I will vote
> Democratic because they actually offer some hope, maybe a lot, The
> potential is there and there is a groundswell of interest in local food
> systems and permaculture. Trump offers no hope. Just think about those
> alt-rights backing him and what they are about if you don't believe me.
> I think the period just before Butz, followed by Espey and the same path to
> the present with the Monsanto executive put the system in place. The
> people's voice will not be heard, nor was Bernie's. Example: what kind of
> forces had to be in place to allow widespread pesticide use to the point
> that we almost have no honeybees and no honey on the shelves for less than
> $20 per quart, and get away with it, public outcry ignored completely. Yes
> there are planty of alternative pollinator conservation programs underway
> and renewal of apiaries but look at what has been lost.
> I have always admired and respected the work of all divisions of the USDA.
> They still do excellent work as do the land grant universities,.
> Nevertheless, a huge percentage of government activities has been devoted
> to helping gmo/pesticide/robotic/synthetic NPK agribusiness with much less
> than previously allocated destined for traditional natural local farmers.
>
> Traditional, local, natural (OK, "organic") food production has been left
> to fend for itself. Adequately financed farms can become successful
> whereas medium income or low income EXPERT gardeners and farmers who know
> what natural agriculture is all about are left wandering in a fog trying to
> gain their fair share of market opportunities and deal with the overburden
> of paperwork and regulations.- they would say find and get to know your
> local farmer and you will realize the quality of the food you purchase from
> him; that it was safe and natural would be an assumed fact.
>
> There are volumes to be said.about all this.
> <>
>
>
> --
> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
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