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[Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>]

Excellent advice on compost, DO levels, pathogens, etc., from Elaine Ingham.
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From: Elaine Ingham soilfoodweb@aol.com [compost_tea] <
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Date: Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re: Aquaponics Biology
To: compost_tea@yahoogroups.com




Any oxygen below 6 ppm will promote anaerobic organisms, which includes the
disease organisms.  The USDA hasn't apparently read Bergey's Manual, or
some of the basic microbial physiology text books about how critical it is
to maintain aerobic conditions.  Well, when you realize that the USDA is in
the pocket of the big chemical and bio-tech companies, you can understand
why you get the responses that you do from the "company patter".  If people
realized that they can take much more control of their own food production,
how simple re-cycling is, and that those toxic pesticides and inorganic
fertilizers are not needed and in fact damaging, then the chemical and
biotech companies would fail.  So, the company line is that "compost",
which  they can't even define correctly, is chock full of diseases.

In properly made compost, typically NO pathogens are found.

If it isn't really compost, then disease organisms are the likely to be
found.

It was good of you to send the pictures, and you did well, but not
perfect.  You might want to review the on-line course on the Shadowing
microscope a couple times.  It sounds like something isn't quite right in
your set up.  Maybe you could write out the steps you are taking in doing
the microscope, and maybe I could catch what isn't quite right.  Want to
try that?

Predatory nematodes typically need other nematodes to eat.  So, you need
good numbers of bacterial and fungal feeding nematodes FIRST before the
predatory nematodes will show up.  Also, predatory nematodes do not like
disturbance, so you need to leave the pile alone, but keep it moist (40-50%
moisture).  Can be tricky to remember to routinely wet the pile and not
turn it.

Elaine R. Ingham
President, Soil Foodweb Inc.       Soil Life Consultant
Since I travel a great deal, please consider that I may miss e-mails so if
I don't answer within 3 days, please try again.


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From: Justin Atkinson gcesinc@yahoo.com [compost_tea] <
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To: compost_tea <compost_tea@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2015 6:56 pm
Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re: Aquaponics Biology


... directives.

In any case I certainly appreciate all the feedback and assistance with
identification.

On a side note, In my perpetual quest for diversity in my pass thru vermi
system I was wondering if anyone might be able to suggest a likely
environment to find predatory Nematodes. I seem to have bacterial feeders
but am not recognizing any of the predatory Sp.

Justin


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On Aug 24, 2015, 9:35:31 PM, Justin Atkinson wrote:
To be honest this is the first time sharing images in such a forum and
hadn't thought to record the mags. In some of the videos I actually changed
magnification to optimize. Will have to include mag in my file names going
forward. I did however shadow at 400x and had remarkably difficult time
spotting bacteria of any sort. Thought it rather and wasn't sure if it's a
characteristic of the environment. Bearing in mind my limited experience
has been with soil, compost and manures. To confirm your suspicions I did
manage to confirm the DO levels were around 3 ppm explaining the high
population of Ciliates.

Actually met with a rep who happened to be visiting to introduce a modular
trough system designed for Aquaponics. Asked him what his thoughts were on
inoculating with compost teas and he immediately went down the path of the
of USDA's views of compost and potential pathogens, Aquaponics is still in
its early stages and we can't risk having human casualties at such an early
stage of acceptance. I proposed vermicast and he started imply the works
would have to be sanitized. I attempted to explain the self sanitizing
nature of worms but desisted after recognizing his


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On Aug 21, 2015, 1:54:53 PM, Elaine Ingham soilfoodweb@aol.com
[compost_tea] wrote:
What magnifications? Low mags like this, and without shadowing, you won't
see the bacteria. Need to be using that iris diaphragm....... and at least
400X total magnification (40X objective lens)

>From what I can make out, there are a massive number of ciliates around
these roots, indicating low oxygen concentrations. Plants won't do well in
that condition, and disease will likely be able to win

Elaine R. Ingham
President, Soil Foodweb Inc. Soil Life Consultant
Since I travel a great deal, please consider that I may miss e-mails so if
I don't answer within 3 days, please try again.


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From: gcesinc@yahoo.com [compost_tea]
To: compost_tea
Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2015 8:58 am
Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Aquaponics Biology

Dropbox links to a couple images we took of the roots. Truly another world
under the microscope.

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