permaculture

[Neil Bertrando <neilbertrando@gmail.com>]

Thanks for the articles Jason.


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Lawrence London 
<lfljvenaura@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Chris Carnevale
> <c.s.carnevale@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Both are good ways to disseminate information to large audiences are
> > well archived, indexed, searchable, etc.
>
>
> That's what I thought for a while but visiting their sites or contributing
> to forums is donating to people
> who are essentially outside the realm of permaculture as I envision it,
> i.e. their behavior and credibility is in question.
> It a matter of standing for what you believe in and voting with your
> keyboard. PRI: threatening and suing people who make statements in online
> forums that are "inconvenient to their product marketing scheme" and
> Wheaton: deliberately conning John d'H out of $80 and taking personal
> credit for the work of other people. I will not give either of these
> nonentities the time of day.
> Are you going to stand with the Castro regime in Cuba or kowtow to the
> right wing sponsored Cuban expatriates in the US who would revert Cuba to a
> Batista-like dictatorship, puppets of vertically integrated multinational
> corporate exploitation, in a minute if given the opportunity via a right
> wing coup or outright invasion.
>
> I'm not a big fan of permies
> > but there is a ton of value in its ability to get lots of
> > brains together to trade information.
>
>
> Not really, if you look closely and they never follow up with really
> worthwhile threads. I found out; zero response to a flood of excellent well
> prepared information on soil quality and related topics.
> If I post that here, feedback or not, it goes into searchable archives and
> I get copies in email that I can organize into folder systems, export to
> text, put online elsewhere, etc.
> Of course there is a lot of good information at those two sites but you can
> locate, archive and use the same information and more on your own by
> searching the web. Needless to say many of the search results will link to
> articles at those two sites. Actively contributing to their forums takes
> time and energy away from creative discussion you could have in this list
> and at the sites of
> many list members. Are you going to allow PRI and Permies to swallow up the
> permaculture movement so they can reinvent it in their image? Did you
> support China's invasion and explotation of Tibet and turning Tibetans into
> second class citizens and their national wealth goes into the pockets of
> ChiComm profiteers? Russia is trying to swallow Ukraine, again, as they
> have Belarus with Georgia in their sights.
>
> Stand firm in your convictions. Boycott the poseurs and opportunists.
>
>
> > I saw an alternative, which I like
> > better, pop up at http://www.permaculturehub.com/ There isn't much
> > activity there though.
> >
>
> That looks like a great alternative with considerable potential. The
> problem with it seems to be that there is little or no moderation of users
> and their offtopic crass commercial posts, i.e. garbage others have to wade
> through, instead of structuring it around an array of focused permaculture
> topics and keeping it that way. Whoever runs it should have no qualms
> booting any who stray from the mission and purpose of that site. Maybe they
> need better software, what is there looks like a Meetup site. Do do a
> proper job the site owner may need to purchase forum software or make do
> with a free app untill traffic warrants an upgrade. I support that and will
> join today. Thanks for the pointer.
>
> >
> > On 12/14/13, 6:03 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> > > On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Jason Gerhardt <
> jasongerhardt@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://permaculturenews.org/2012/11/27/permaculture-design-on-the-edge-patterns-of-coastal-settlement-and-regeneration/
> > >
> > >
> > > What I don't understand is why anyone chooses to publish anything at
> any
> > of
> > > PRI's online resources. I boycott any and all of their activities along
> > > with permies
> > > and refuse to read anything published there by anyone for any reason.
> > Those
> > > folks are not going to do ANYTHING for anyone but themselves and are
> not
> > in
> > > the slightest interested in furthering the cause of permaculture as
> > > envisioned by Bill Mollison, David Holmgren, Scott Pittman....or me. I
> > > don't mind saying this at all. You are not going to see PRI or permies
> > > sticking up for local permaculture farmers and gardeners, practitioners
> > and
> > > activists as so many folks worldwide are facing such hard times with
> the
> > > future looking grim and dim.
> > >
> > > I created this list in 1992 for reasons that should be apparent by now
> > and
> > > plan to adhere to the goals of helping to bring permaculture and self
> > > sufficient living to as many people around the globe as humanly
> possible.
> > > Greening the desert indeed, how about greening people's lives and
> > > livelihoods. Those pri and permies folks are a joke.
> > >
> > > This should be a warming message to many. The pc bureaucrats and
> > > opportunists are not worth the time of day.
> > >
> > > LL
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