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["John D'hondt" <dhondt@eircom.net>]

Well, yes it even made the family split up afterwards. I think the culprit 
was Aethusa cynapium that al of a sudden appeared under it's own steam in a 
poly tunnel where the man had sown and harvested that French edible the year 
before. Same family as the water hemlock, carrots, celery, angelica and many 
more. I am always very careful with this family.
But a few days ago I stumbled over a to my unknown Elaeagnus full of small 
black berries and I ate a few handfulls with no bad results. Delicious and I 
even made some jam with them.

I know that grafting tomatoes is in fashion these days but I will avoid them 
like the plague for several reasons. One being that we never ever know what 
side effects gmo anything will have on us when we eat them or even come 
close to them. Second reason has to do with that, I don't want to support 
anything gmo until real tests are done for their safety so call me back on 
this in 50 years time.
And last of all because I can see no need to go High Tech with tometoes. We 
are growing a few heritage varieties and we have been saving seed for 25 
years. They grow exceedingly easy and true from this seed and if we got a 
bith of good weather here in Ireland they would produce tons. This happens 
only once in 5-6 years on average as it is now but I am not at all sure the 
grafted tomatoes would do better or even as good.
all the best,
John

What a horrible experience for your friends! That can happen within a very 
edible plant family as well. For instance, water hemlock. Most families have 
at least one deadly relative in the bunch. There are very few rules that 
apply in every situation on "safe to eat." The best rule I know of is to 
know the exact plant you are eating. Yes, DNA sequencing is changing a lot 
of things. I spoke to one DNA specialist who says she would no longer 
consider breeding plants for desirable qualities, and is grafting heirloom 
tomatoes onto GMO rootstock.

Koreen Brennan

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On Sunday, November 3, 2013 5:31 PM, John D'hondt <dhondt@eircom.net> wrote:

I suppose these recent changes have to do with DNA sequencing
For me plant relationships are more than a little bit important. Some
families are generally very safe to eat or use in medicine while others are
naughty and have some very toxic family members. A few years ago I nearly
lost a whole family of friend because they did not remember this. "Ah, that
is probably what the French eat with Xmas.." Two hours later the whole
family was in a coma in hospital and it took the husband who had eaten most
of it more than 4 months to recover.
John

That seems to happen a lot. One might conclude that our understanding of
relationships and characteristics is still quite incomplete, or perhaps the
entire idea of trying to categorize plants in families is limited.
Obviously, there are some plant family patterns that are quite useful to
know and understand, but others appear to be more ambiguous and less useful.
Permaculture categories have quite a lot of use and relevance, and may
perhaps become part of the botany lexicon at some point.

Koreen Brennan
www.growpermaculture.com
www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition



On Saturday, November 2, 2013 6:14 PM, John D'hondt <dhondt@eircom.net>
wrote:

Thanks Lawrence. I see some are re-housed in different families from what I
was used to.
John

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