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  • From: ChildrensPeaceGuild <childrenspeaceguild@yahoo.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Children's food forest
  • Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:28:49 -0700 (PDT)

Send me your address privately and I'll get something together for you.
And thanks for all the work you, Rhonda, et al. are doing as well.

-Roman
Children's Permaculture Guild



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From: Koreen Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Children's food forest


Really, you would lend me yours? Wow, that is really nice! You guys do a
wonderful job, by the way - thank you for being there. And thank you for the
well wishes!

K
 



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From: ChildrensPeaceGuild <childrenspeaceguild@yahoo.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Children's food forest

Koreen,
Carolyn Nuttall wrote 'A Children's Food Forest' as well as 'Food Forest
Resource Sheets' (a workbook to accompany the book). She has some great ideas
for activities, getting kids involved, etc.

They used to be hard-to-find, so if you have trouble locating a copy I'd be
more than happy to lend you mine.

Best of luck,
Roman

Children's Permaculture Guild



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From: Koreen Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:19 AM
Subject: [permaculture] Children's food forest

I've been given the opportunity to design a children's food forest and
possibly related educational programs in a city park and would love to talk
to others who are working with children in food forest settings. Would love
to share ideas, resources, etc! 
 
Koreen Brennan

www.growpermaculture.com
www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
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A couple of further cogitations on hydro- and aquaponics. Plants have spent
much more of their evolutionary history in water than on land. The first
organisms that could be called plants appeared in the oceans about 2 billion
years ago, and didn't emerge onto land until 260 million years ago. So
they've spent over 80% of their existence in the sea, and still bear many of
the adaptations to sea life—which is possibly why they take so readily to
water culture. Land life is terrifically stressful; plants had to evolve waxy
cuticles to keep from drying out, large root systems for taking in nutrients
and water instead of small hold-fasts to anchor them, and on and on. Water
culture relieves plants of many of the stresses of land life. To me, this
makes arguments about water culture being "unnatural" pretty suspect. I could
argue that it's much more natural for plants to grow in water, just as
accurately as someone could argue that it's much more natural to eat
ungrafted fruit or undomesticated plants. Humans spent more of our past
eating wild foods than domesticated ones; plants spent an equally large
percentage of their past growing in a nutrient solution without microbial
intermediates and soil. Both are "natural" and may or may not be healthy ways
to go. Circumstances are key.

I respect that some people don't like water-cultured foods, object to the
technology, or have opinions about water-grown foods making them not feel as
well-nourished, although I'd like to see a blind study: if you know you don't
like something and then knowingly eat it, it's likely that you won't feel
good eating it. That's not at all proof that it is lower in prana or
nutrients or whatever; it just proves you don't like it. I prefer data to
make up my mind.

The whole point to me here is not whether water culture is natural, or
better, or as healthy as soil-grown food. It's that there are occasions when
it can provide more healthy food than is normally available, and that's where
it fits. A good example of this is in Denver, where a non-profit called the
GrowHaus has taken over some cut-flower greenhouses and is growing thousands
of greens in climate battery aquaponics. The GrowHaus is in a highly urban,
low-income, mostly Hispanic neighborhood that is a true food desert: the
nearest food store is a super-Walmart two miles away. Soils in the
neighborhood are badly contaminated with industrial toxics: you don't want to
garden there. I am certain, and I think a nutrient analysis would show, that
the water-grown food the GrowHaus sells and gives away to their neighbors is
far more nutritious than the crap they could buy at that Walmart or Safeway.
This to me is a great illustration of proper application of water culture of
plants (and the way the GrowHaus does it, it builds the local community and
economy).

Again, my diet is almost exclusively from soil-grown plants, and I don't see
a role in my own life, now, for water culture. So I am not in any way
advocating that it is universally a better way to grow food. I am arguing
that it can be a useful part of the toolkit and help transition to a
healthier way of life. That for me is the bottom line, not, is it natural, is
it permaculture, or is it sustainable, but: Is it a wise use of the resources
we have now to move us toward where we need to go? To those folks in Denver,
it's wiser than driving to Walmart.

Toby
http://patternliteracy.com






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