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[Koreen Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>]

What does "not as toxic" mean exactly? How toxic is it, and what are the 
ingredients?  Not trying to make trouble, just like to have all the info. 
 
 

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 From: Eisenhauer <eisenhauerdesign@earthlink.net>
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Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Root cellar walls
 
Hello,
You could us Roxul board over pressure treated studs (new pressure treated
yellow pine is no longer as toxic as the old copper arsenic treated stuff)
and then stucco with lime stucco ( sand and lime putty - bag lime and water
for a wall that will not absorb moisture, is insulated (Roxul board is an R
4.1 per inch) and be unfriendly to insects, fungus and rodents as well as
being nontoxic.  Fiberglass insulation will attract rodents and insect
infestation.
This is the Roxul site  www.roxul.com
Steven

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Buckingham
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:40 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Root cellar walls

could you build a cinder block wall for the other two walls and insulate
with a polyfoam (this is the only thing out there that I have found to
withstand the moisture) There are SIP, structural insulated panels that have
a cement outer core, different from the toxic OSB board that is more
popular. SIPs are big and may need to be special ordered - and it depends on
how close you leave to a manufacture.

treated wood on the floor (although bad) and untreated for the studs would
work if the blocks do not.

if you find a solution, let me know - this has been a design project on my
mind for a while now.
take care,
Julia


On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:57 PM, S P SHERMAN <spsherm@msn.com> wrote:

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> Had a question that the folks here might be able to help with...
>
> I am building a "root cellar" in the corner of a basement. Two walls 
> will be the concrete foundation. The other two walls will be 2x 
> framing with insulation.  The  question I have is what material to use 
> to cover the framed walls and ceiling?  Sheet rock is not ideal due to 
> the high humidity. Wood would be better, but also not ideal in the 
> humidity. Cement board is probably OK, but a bit pricey.
>
> Anyone come up with any good solutions for this?
>
> TIA
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Hi Folks,

I'm looking for some comprehensive, informative, and concise resources
about regenerative grazing and agroforestry.  I am working gathering
interested parties and am initiating a community managed / owned herd and
agroforestry project in central Vermont.  I am specifically looking for
materials to bring to Town Meeting which I can have available for folks to
read and / or bring home with them - i'm looking for readings, systems
designs sketches, photographs and documentation, etc. - things that will be
both inspiring and informative that I can set up at a table and use to
effectively get people engaged in considering a new positive potential for
themselves, the land, their relationship with the land, and the future of
the community.

This is a community with a rich agricultural history, but cattle in
particular are currently associated with erosion and run-off, ground water
contamination, manure pits, large dairy operations, large corn
monocultures, and closely cropped and poorly maintained pastures.  The
human habitation pattern is such that there are many 5-25 acre properties
of mixed forest and old field being annually maintained with haying or
brush-hogging (mechanically maintained).  This habitation pattern (as well
as numerous old logging roads, barns, the VAST - vermont association of
snow travelers - trails, dirt roads, etc) lends itself well to a community
owned herd that could migrate through the neighborhood, biologically
maintaining these landscapes, over the course of the grazing season.  Even
starting small, beginning to encourage a more participatory and lineage
based relationship between people and the communities and places they live,
beginning to generate more topsoil, implementing agroforestry designs to
diversify yields over time, showing that its possible and beautiful and
productive - there is excellent potential for shared costs and benefits
reaching well beyond individuals to other organizations such as the schools
in town.

I don't need to preach to the choir - thanks for the advice and resource
suggestions!

Graham Unangst-Rufenacht