permaculture

[Chris Carnevale <c.s.carnevale@gmail.com>]

Jesse,

Excellent work with PermacultureHub.com.  That looks like an excellent
resource.  I've been working on a similar social networking site for my
local permaculture guild and we'll be sure to link to PermacultureHub.

Andrew--great work on BeaverStatePermaculture.com, by the way.  It is one
of the models I'm trying to emulate with my site.  Wonderful
networking/information sharing tool.

The Knoxville Permaculture Guild runs a similar site too (
http://knoxvillepermacultureguild.ning.com/), which looks to be pretty
active.

Chris Carnevale
Charleston, South Carolina


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> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:31:40 -0800 (PST)
> From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] cooperation between permaculture teachers
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> Michael,?
>
> Thank you for your words. I think that a national convergence would be
> great and would be willing to help organize or market or whatever for that.
> I have a pretty good idea of how busy you and other established
> designers/teachers are and appreciate your intention to extend yourself to
> expand into these areas. ?I am willing to help where I can be useful. I,
> like others, do not feel like I can spearhead anything right now (nor would
> it be appropriate for me to do so, I feel). If enough of us volunteered to
> move forward, I think we could spread things out sufficiently that it would
> be doable for any one of us.
>
> It's always adventurous to put in organizational structure. What would the
> yield of such a structure be? It seems that if it were approached as a site
> design, with an analysis done and needs/resources included that it might be
> easier to get agreement? That sounds like a lot of work, I'm sure that a
> number of you have engaged in multiple discussions around that, and it may
> be that things are organically evolving as they should, from various
> regions and sectors and it will all come together when it should. I'm sure
> others may have a better sense of that than I do, being out in the boonies
> relatively speaking. I am just blissfully ignorant enough to not know any
> better, lol.?
>
> Meanwhile, I'm willing to discuss with anybody how we can help each other
> spread the word more effectively. Another place to list courses is
> permies.com. and?http://www.permaculture.net/courses/
> ?
> Koreen Brennan
>
> www.growpermaculture.com
> www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
> www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Michael Pilarski <friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] cooperation between permaculture teachers
>
> Thank you Koreen,
>
> You are totally right.? I may have sounded a little cantankerous in my
> last email.? There is tremendous room for further cooperation and promoting
> of permaculture in the USA and you are right that it doesn't need a
> national convergence to do so. There is at least one move afoot to set up a
> national registrar of certified/qualified teachers. This dicussion has been
> ongoing over the years and is always fraught with controversy.? Hopefully
> we can increase collaboration at the national level.? To this end, I have
> been promoting a national convergence for some time, including on this list
> serve. Most anyone with any real gumption already has their hands full.
>
> There are a number of national portals for permaculture
> information/websites/organizations/sites on the internet. I usually start
> at the Permaculture Activist, PRI/USA, the PermaculturePortal and there are
> many others.? Who has got the most definitive list at this point?
>
> Looking forward to watching the developments on the national scene. Your
> pr and marketing skills are certainly needed.
>
>
> Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
> Permaculture - Wildcrafting - Medicinal Herbs & Seeds
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] cooperation between permaculture teachers
>
> I know there is cooperation regionally in more established areas and
> didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I think there could be more of it between
> regions and that could happen with or without a National Convergence. I
> appreciate Loren making the suggestion and reaching out.?
>
> I'm in Florida which is definitely pioneer territory, but we are starting
> to get more effective cooperation going with our first statewide
> convergence in January. I did PR and marketing in my previous to
> permaculture life and remain interested in exploring cross pollination type
> collaborations with the purpose of amping up exposure to permaculture and
> penetration of quality information about permaculture values, principles
> and design techniques more deeply and broadly into the culture. A
> permaculture principle is using the energies in the system, and my energy
> has value if it is recognized and utilized.?
> ?
> Koreen Brennan
>
> www.growpermaculture.com
> www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
> www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael Pilarski <friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:58 PM
> Subject: [permaculture] cooperation between permaculture teachers
>
> Koreen
>
> Totally agreed about the cooperation, including marketing cooperation, and
> about your comment? "we might learn more from one another and become more
> effective as teachers."
>
> Sorry, but I don't know what part of the US you are in and about the level
> of cooperation between permaculture teachers there.?
>
> But I would like to point out that there already exists a lot of
> cooperation between permaculture teachers in many regions of the US. The
> area I am most familiar with is my home region of the Pacific Northwest.?
> There has been lots of collaboration and cooperation and exchange bettween
> pc teachers in our area over the decades.? Lots happens at our annual
> Pacific Northwest Permaculture Convergence.? A lot is coming together right
> now in our regional association of pc teachers, Cascadian Permaculture
> Institute. It aims for high standards of teaching and for collaboration
> between CPI members.? CPI is just now coming together formally, but we have
> many years of informal working together.?
>
> i know that there is lots of intra-regional cooperation in many other
> parts of the US as well. California, Southwest, Colorado, Northeast,
> Southeast, upper Midwest, etc.
>
> Of course there is a long ways to go and much more to do, but I didn't
> want any new reader to get the impression there is no cooperation among
> permaculture teachers.?
>
> At some point we will have a North American Permaculture Convergence to
> further this process on a national level.? Until then every permaculture
> teacher should be doing their due diligence to connect with and cooperate
> with other permaculture teachers in their region.
>
> Permacordially,
>
> Michael Pilarski
>
> Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
> Permaculture - Wildcrafting - Medicinal Herbs & Seeds
>
> Sign up for my newsletter at www.friendsofthetrees.net
> www.facebook.com/michael.skeeter.pilarski
>
>
> --- On Mon, 2/11/13, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Monday, February 11, 2013, 1:59 PM
>
> I think we can learn from successful marketing techniques no matter who is
> doing them. I have ethical problems with some things he does, like start
> "social" Facebook pages and hide who he is on them and then use them to
> market his products.?
>
> I would like to see more cooperation between permaculture teachers. I
> think it would be easier if we pooled marketing and made more effort to get
> to know one another and our strengths. I think that if we worked together
> more and used some (ethical) marketing strategy, we would all have more
> than enough students, and we might learn more from one another and become
> more effective as teachers.?
> ?
> Koreen Brennan
>
> www.growpermaculture.com
> www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
> www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: loren luyendyk <loren@sborganics.com>
> To: Permaculture Listserve <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?
>
>
> It looks like the campaign is going good, despite some obvious concerns
> regarding the content/teacher/ethics.? (I have never met this person, so I
> cannot vouch either way for their credibility).
>
> Maybe there is something to learn from this?? Cooperation not
> competition...?? I agree with the concept personally, I think the more
> people are exposed to PC the better.? But now again we are back to the
> issue of curriculum/accreditation/consistency- what are they learning and
> is it similar to what we all "should" be teaching.? (Obviously the hard
> part with an online course is for students to have hands-on experience.)
>
> Anyone can object to the campaign if you believe it is using "prohibited
> content" here:
> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/313242
>
> Loren Luyendyk
> 805-452-8249
> Permaculture Design and Education
> ISA Certified Arborist #WE-7805A
> www.sborganics.com
> www.globalpermaculture.com
> www.surferswithoutborders.com
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:05:00 -0500
> > From: venaurafarm@bellsouth.net
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?
> >
> > On 2/11/2013 1:23 PM, Cory Brennan wrote:
> >
> > > There are already a number of well developed on line curriculae
> > > available - Dan Hemenways' Barking Frogs course, an Australia course
> > > that I've heard very good things about (forgot the name of the
> > > organization), and there is a partial course that is free on-line
> > > that was just released, done at NCSU. And there is on-line curriculum
> > > at permaculture media. And probably some I'm not aware of.? These are
> > > developed by people who are using permaculture in their lives,
> > > walking their talk.
> >
> > Can you provide a list of links to their respective websites or other
> > online resources they use?
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 00:55:39 -0500
> From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Robert Waldrop <bwaldrop1952@att.net
> >wrote:
>
> > You never quite know what will happen with these crowd sourced funding
> > plans.
> >  They could raise the money and never produce the product.
> >
> > These folks
> >
> > http://www.indiegogo.com/OpenPermaculture
> >
> > raised $16000+, but their promised book on urban permaculture has yet to
> > appear.
> >
>
> Never heard of this person but did see a promotion for her work at
> permies.com. Maybe Paul Wheaton can comment further as to the legitimacy
> of
> her work.
>
> I see that you can 'buy your own tree' to be planted in the The Wolf
> Private Nature Reserve in Slovakia at the following site:
>
> http://www.indiegogo.com/OpenPermaculture
> "Who is behind this project?
>
> Sophia Novack is a documentary film student passionate about creating a
> more sustainable world. She is a passionate permaculture geek and
> environmental activist. She is the force behind Permaculture Media Blog and
> Permaculture Directory, the largest and FREE online directory of
> Permaculture educational resources and course listings around the world.
>
> For almost two years Permaculture Media Blog and Permaculture Directory
> have brought together high-quality, sustainable-living and educational
> media for the worldwide eco-community. These projects inspire thousands of
> people every day and have helped many people to start their own
> homesteading projects."
> <>
>
> It would be unfortunate for money to go to hyped-up nonproductive projects
> when it could go to so many worthwhile ones needing and seeking funding or
> thinking about pursuing that route for financial survival.
>
> LL
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 00:52:38 -0700
> From: paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] cooperation between permaculture teachers
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>
> First,
>
> I want to make it clear that i have been giving advice to an
> organization that is right now putting the money down for a venue for
> a national permaculture event.
>
>
> Second,
>
> Skeeter, when trying to determine which sites are the largest web
> sites, probably the most accurate way of measuring without those web
> sites actually sharing their traffic numbers is alexa.com.   It is
> flawed, but it is the closest thing we have.
>
> So, go to alexa and feed in all of the sites and see what you come back
> with.
>
> I talked with Maddy Harland this morning.  The permaculture magazine
> site gets 1.2 million visitors per year.    So about 100,000 per
> month.
>
> permaculture.org.au:  335,044
> permacultureusa.org:  1,443,614
> permaculture.co.uk:  300,287
> permacultureportal.com: 6,730,067
> permacultureactivist.net:  478,602
> friendsofthetrees.net:  5,066,941
> permaculture.net 3,563,697
>
> So it would seem that maddy is the winner in this bunch.  The rest of
> the sites must, therefore, get fewer than 100,000 visitors per month.
>
> permies.com has an alexa rank of 30,059 and, in january had 794,694
> visitors.  This is not counting the 326,407 to richsoil.com or the
> ~279,000 to my youtube channel or any of the podcast stuff.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Michael Pilarski
> <friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Thank you Koreen,
> >
> > You are totally right.  I may have sounded a little cantankerous in my
> last email.  There is tremendous room for further cooperation and promoting
> of permaculture in the USA and you are right that it doesn't need a
> national convergence to do so. There is at least one move afoot to set up a
> national registrar of certified/qualified teachers. This dicussion has been
> ongoing over the years and is always fraught with controversy.  Hopefully
> we can increase collaboration at the national level.  To this end, I have
> been promoting a national convergence for some time, including on this list
> serve. Most anyone with any real gumption already has their hands full.
> >
> > There are a number of national portals for permaculture
> information/websites/organizations/sites on the internet. I usually start
> at the Permaculture Activist, PRI/USA, the PermaculturePortal and there are
> many others.  Who has got the most definitive list at this point?
> >
> > Looking forward to watching the developments on the national scene. Your
> pr and marketing skills are certainly needed.
> >
> >
> > Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
> > Permaculture - Wildcrafting - Medicinal Herbs & Seeds
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] cooperation between permaculture teachers
> >
> > I know there is cooperation regionally in more established areas and
> didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I think there could be more of it between
> regions and that could happen with or without a National Convergence. I
> appreciate Loren making the suggestion and reaching out.
> >
> > I'm in Florida which is definitely pioneer territory, but we are
> starting to get more effective cooperation going with our first statewide
> convergence in January. I did PR and marketing in my previous to
> permaculture life and remain interested in exploring cross pollination type
> collaborations with the purpose of amping up exposure to permaculture and
> penetration of quality information about permaculture values, principles
> and design techniques more deeply and broadly into the culture. A
> permaculture principle is using the energies in the system, and my energy
> has value if it is recognized and utilized.
> >
> > Koreen Brennan
> >
> > www.growpermaculture.com
> > www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
> > www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Michael Pilarski <friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:58 PM
> > Subject: [permaculture] cooperation between permaculture teachers
> >
> > Koreen
> >
> > Totally agreed about the cooperation, including marketing cooperation,
> and about your comment  "we might learn more from one another and become
> more effective as teachers."
> >
> > Sorry, but I don't know what part of the US you are in and about the
> level of cooperation between permaculture teachers there.
> >
> > But I would like to point out that there already exists a lot of
> cooperation between permaculture teachers in many regions of the US. The
> area I am most familiar with is my home region of the Pacific Northwest.
>  There has been lots of collaboration and cooperation and exchange bettween
> pc teachers in our area over the decades.  Lots happens at our annual
> Pacific Northwest Permaculture Convergence.  A lot is coming together right
> now in our regional association of pc teachers, Cascadian Permaculture
> Institute. It aims for high standards of teaching and for collaboration
> between CPI members.  CPI is just now coming together formally, but we have
> many years of informal working together.
> >
> > i know that there is lots of intra-regional cooperation in many other
> parts of the US as well. California, Southwest, Colorado, Northeast,
> Southeast, upper Midwest, etc.
> >
> > Of course there is a long ways to go and much more to do, but I didn't
> want any new reader to get the impression there is no cooperation among
> permaculture teachers.
> >
> > At some point we will have a North American Permaculture Convergence to
> further this process on a national level.  Until then every permaculture
> teacher should be doing their due diligence to connect with and cooperate
> with other permaculture teachers in their region.
> >
> > Permacordially,
> >
> > Michael Pilarski
> >
> > Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
> > Permaculture - Wildcrafting - Medicinal Herbs & Seeds
> >
> > Sign up for my newsletter at www.friendsofthetrees.net
> > www.facebook.com/michael.skeeter.pilarski
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 2/11/13, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?
> > To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Date: Monday, February 11, 2013, 1:59 PM
> >
> > I think we can learn from successful marketing techniques no matter who
> is doing them. I have ethical problems with some things he does, like start
> "social" Facebook pages and hide who he is on them and then use them to
> market his products.
> >
> > I would like to see more cooperation between permaculture teachers. I
> think it would be easier if we pooled marketing and made more effort to get
> to know one another and our strengths. I think that if we worked together
> more and used some (ethical) marketing strategy, we would all have more
> than enough students, and we might learn more from one another and become
> more effective as teachers.
> >
> > Koreen Brennan
> >
> > www.growpermaculture.com
> > www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
> > www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: loren luyendyk <loren@sborganics.com>
> > To: Permaculture Listserve <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?
> >
> >
> > It looks like the campaign is going good, despite some obvious concerns
> regarding the content/teacher/ethics.  (I have never met this person, so I
> cannot vouch either way for their credibility).
> >
> > Maybe there is something to learn from this?  Cooperation not
> competition...?  I agree with the concept personally, I think the more
> people are exposed to PC the better.  But now again we are back to the
> issue of curriculum/accreditation/consistency- what are they learning and
> is it similar to what we all "should" be teaching.  (Obviously the hard
> part with an online course is for students to have hands-on experience.)
> >
> > Anyone can object to the campaign if you believe it is using "prohibited
> content" here:
> > http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/313242
> >
> > Loren Luyendyk
> > 805-452-8249
> > Permaculture Design and Education
> > ISA Certified Arborist #WE-7805A
> > www.sborganics.com
> > www.globalpermaculture.com
> > www.surferswithoutborders.com
> >
> >
> >> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:05:00 -0500
> >> From: venaurafarm@bellsouth.net
> >> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> >> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?
> >>
> >> On 2/11/2013 1:23 PM, Cory Brennan wrote:
> >>
> >> > There are already a number of well developed on line curriculae
> >> > available - Dan Hemenways' Barking Frogs course, an Australia course
> >> > that I've heard very good things about (forgot the name of the
> >> > organization), and there is a partial course that is free on-line
> >> > that was just released, done at NCSU. And there is on-line curriculum
> >> > at permaculture media. And probably some I'm not aware of.  These are
> >> > developed by people who are using permaculture in their lives,
> >> > walking their talk.
> >>
> >> Can you provide a list of links to their respective websites or other
> >> online resources they use?
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> permaculture mailing list
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> >
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> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:58:57 +1100
> From: "Jesse Van Wollingen" <jesse@permaculturehub.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Subject: cooperation between permaculture
>         teachers
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> Hey All
>
>
>
> This might be the first time I'm posting to this list - please be gentle! J
>
>
>
> I would love to see this thread of thought about collaboration and
> cooperation become the central mantra and action plan of permaculture folk
> over the next few years. There is such a great diversity of experiences,
> networks, guilds etc but to-date we have failed to crack the nut of
> large-scale regular permaculture networking, collaboration etc (beyond the
> IPC's). This year has already seen some exciting new regional developments
> with the Florida convergence, upcoming Southern CA convergence, Bolivia
> holding their first international convergence and a Michigan team putting
> together a convergence there, not to mention the many existing gatherings
> that are expected to continue this year (such as the Northern CA, Pacific
> NW, the Inland NW, and Northeast convergences).
>
>
>
> My personal view is that if we can collectively commit to seriously up-ing
> the ante in our online collaborations it could be a catalyst to drive the
> dual benefits of (1) creating visible at-scale networking (regional to
> national to global) while also (2) becoming a significant collaborative
> "attractional brand" that has the potential to dramatically expand the
> exposure of permaculture design (and in turn facilitate larger uptake of
> the
> work).
>
>
>
> Permaculturehub (permaculturehub.com) was started in 2011 as a first
> attempt
> at moving this idea from concept to reality. It's a first effort that I
> would love you all to think about and engage with. Koreen, Skeeter,
>  Andrew,
> Alan and I'm sure others on this list have had conversations with me in the
> past and are also currently members of the site. Andrew's
> beaverstatepermaculture.com uses the same online social platform.
>
>
>
> Here's what I see as some of the strengths of Permaculturehub and important
> differentiators from what we - the permaculture community - have been doing
> to-date:
>
> .         Graphical/visual - Plenty of rich-media options e.g. video's and
> photos. Online forums have served the community well for a long time but
> are
> old text-based technology (read: "irrelevant to younger generations") in an
> increasingly visual-learning focused world;
>
> .         Online and open - Majority of site content viewable and
> searchable
> from anywhere on the net by anyone, restricted areas designed to encourage
> engagement. Listservs by contrast have served the community well for a long
> time but are now also old technology and definitely limit the potential
> audience size (not necessarily a bad thing) and are generally not visible
> to
> non-members;
>
> .         Social media savvy - Interactive options that enable users to
> contribute their own content, provide feedback on other peoples content and
> link to other social media sources;
>
> .         Transparently integrative - Large capacity for group setups such
> as guilds (private or public), multiple page administrators while the very
> existence of the site is focussed on growing relationships;
>
> .         Not just for permaculture people - Permaculturehub opens our
> permaculture world up to anyone with an internet connection (there is even
> an active mobile phone version of the website). The PermacultureGlobal
> website is a fantastic addition to the community and a great resource for
> those looking for a permaculture consultant, but arguably and unfortunately
> probably does not have much content that is of interest to anyone else.
>
>
>
> Permaculturehub is not the perfect solution and may not be the final
> solution that the community settles on but I think it provides a solid step
> forward and if we can gather a group of quality permaculture people and
> build momentum around the site (or something similar) I really believe that
> we could see some exciting things happen from this (or something like it).
>
>
>
> There are lots of conversations that need to be had including whether this
> is a step the community thinks is worthwhile and if so what ideas there are
> for organization, priorities, governance etc so let's get the ball rolling!
> Oh, and there's a Teachers group on Permaculturehub that was setup with the
> intention of encouraging collaboration, you'll find it here (but will need
> to be a member of the site to gain access):
> http://www.permaculturehub.com/group/teachers.
>
>
>
> And apologies for the very long email.
>
>
>
> In community
>
>
>
> Jesse
>
>
>
> PS. The next two weeks are crazy busy for me so please be patient if you're
> expecting me to respond to something.
>
>
>
> Jesse Van
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> From: Michael Pilarski <friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com>
>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:58 PM
>
> Subject: [permaculture] cooperation between permaculture teachers
>
> Koreen
>
>
>
> Totally agreed about the cooperation, including marketing cooperation, and
> about your comment? "we might learn more from one another and become more
> effective as teachers."
>
>
>
> Sorry, but I don't know what part of the US you are in and about the level
> of cooperation between permaculture teachers there.?
>
>
>
> But I would like to point out that there already exists a lot of
> cooperation
> between permaculture teachers in many regions of the US. The area I am most
> familiar with is my home region of the Pacific Northwest.? There has been
> lots of collaboration and cooperation and exchange between pc teachers in
> our area over the decades.? Lots happens at our annual Pacific Northwest
> Permaculture Convergence.? A lot is coming together right now in our
> regional association of pc teachers, Cascadian Permaculture Institute. It
> aims for high standards of teaching and for collaboration between CPI
> members.? CPI is just now coming together formally, but we have many years
> of informal working together.?
>
>
>
> I know that there is lots of intra-regional cooperation in many other parts
> of the US as well. California, Southwest, Colorado, Northeast, Southeast,
> upper Midwest, etc.
>
>
>
> Of course there is a long ways to go and much more to do, but I didn't want
> any new reader to get the impression there is no cooperation among
> permaculture teachers.?
>
>
>
> At some point we will have a North American Permaculture Convergence to
> further this process on a national level.? Until then every permaculture
> teacher should be doing their due diligence to connect with and cooperate
> with other permaculture teachers in their region.
>
>
>
> Permacordially,
>
>
>
> Michael Pilarski
>
>
>
> Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
>
> Permaculture - Wildcrafting - Medicinal Herbs & Seeds
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>
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 2/11/13, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?
>
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>
> Date: Monday, February 11, 2013, 1:59 PM
>
>
>
> I think we can learn from successful marketing techniques no matter who is
> doing them. I have ethical problems with some things he does, like start
> "social" Facebook pages and hide who he is on them and then use them to
> market his products.?
>
>
>
> I would like to see more cooperation between permaculture teachers. I think
> it would be easier if we pooled marketing and made more effort to get to
> know one another and our strengths. I think that if we worked together more
> and used some (ethical) marketing strategy, we would all have more than
> enough students, and we might learn more from one another and become more
> effective as teachers.?
>
> ?
>
> Koreen Brennan
>
>
>
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>
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