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["John D'hondt" <dhondt@eircom.net>]

Thank you Steven,
It is clear that we don't see completely eye to eye as they say in Ireland. 
Seems to me we have a different language even and it would take a few 
hundred pages to work this out in all it's details.
I have some difficulty for instance with "each cell is aware and 
communicating with every other cell in our body through charged minerals and 
compounds- all of which is light/radiation". Really, each cell is aware of 
it's immediate neighbors but for general communication the nervous system 
and the endocrine system are all important. They are there for a reason. It 
would take much too long to exchange charged minerals between your eye cells 
and your little toe.
And of course minerals in the real world are not really just light and 
radiation.

What is really the only important thing is that you try to do something good 
with your life.
John

> John,
>
> I will share my current opinion while asking you to be mindful of the fact 
> that I am not a physicist or a medical doctor.  I would define 
> consciousness as awareness.  Each cell is aware and communicating with 
> every other cell in our body through charged minerals and compounds (all 
> of which is light/radiation).  The solar plexus is the nexus of 
> communication between the mind and the workings of the body.  Awareness 
> comes into the mind as thoughts and feelings that provide the information 
> that allows us to steer our behavior to create certain outcomes in our 
> environment.  Our mind/psyche is the interface between our body and our 
> spirit/soul.  These are levels of consciousness/awareness available to us 
> according to our training/listening.
> I am interested in the notion that quantum physics seems to parallel the 
> teachings of the mystics.  I share your excitement at the deep mystery of 
> this world and with the striving to generate more variety, quality and 
> balance of life.
>
> On the subject of nanotech the buck ball is a Nano sized carbon matrix 
> found in diesel exhaust.   I think this explains the higher incidence of 
> asthma in residents around ports and shipping centers where large amounts 
> of diesel exhaust is released into the air.
>
> Steven
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org 
> [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of John D'hondt
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:10 PM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Nanotech
>
>
> Steven, let me say that I have no interest in putting you down. I have a 
> serious interest in the subject though.
> I am not too sure what you mean with "not forgetting about the solar 
> plexus"
> in the given context. Do you think that your solar plexus is conscious?
> In that case we are using very different definitions of "conscious" and I 
> wonder what yours could be.
> I'm nearly 60 and I have not ever known my Purkinje- fiber- knot (or solar 
> plexus as you call it) to utter any conscious thought. Have hardly noticed 
> that it is there. I know it must be there for otherwise I could not slow 
> down or speed up my heart rhythm consciously which I can.
>
> There are so many wonderful phenomena in the big wide world. Bacteria and 
> other microorganisms have languages (mostly chemical) that they use to 
> talk to one another. It is not unlikely that they can ask another species 
> for a bit of DNA that will allow them to survive an antibiotic even.
>
> Plants see many more wavelengths of light than we do and react to short 
> flashes of certain wavelengths almost as fast as our nerve system reacts 
> to a stimulus. Plants hear and feel and have a memory. The scientific 
> research has been going on for the better part of 2 centuries. I think the 
> Darwin's (Charles and son Francis) did a hell of a lot of work on this. 
> Many scientific volumes have been filled with the research about this. 
> Some few friends of mine did their doctoral thesis on these things. But I 
> have never seen anybody use the term "conscious" in connection with this 
> work.
>
> John
>
> > Well thanks for the observation.  Let's hope we don't forget the solar
> > plexus!
> > Steven
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of John
> > D'hondt
> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:29 PM
> > To: permaculture
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Nanotech
> >
> >
> > Science now knows that less than 10% of all our brain activity takes
> > place in the neo-cortex where consciousness lives. 90 % of brain
> > activity is in other areas, our reptilian brain parts, where the
> > sub-conscious lives. Any tale that forgets about the sub-conscious
> > misses a big part of what is going on imo.
> > john
> >
> > > Along the lines of physics as it relates to life/consciousness I just
> > > finished a great little book "Stalking The Wild Pendulum" on the
> > > mechanics of consciousness by Itzhak Bentov published by Bantam Books.
> > > It's is an easy read for those not well greased with a degree in
> > > physics yet it is well grounded in science.
> > > Steven
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of John
> > > D'hondt
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:52 PM
> > > To: permaculture
> > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Nanotech
> > >
> > > John D'hondt intended to convey the message that this DNA stuff is no
> > > more than word-drivel and definitely not "scientific". And this sort
> > > of thing is rife on the net these days.
> > > Started to see a documentary the other day that began by explaining
> > > that there is no person on earth who knows what "energy" really is.
> > > But that instead the "spirit" in the universe is much more important.
> > > Well, energy has a scientific definition, it can be exactly
> > > calculated and measured in well defined units. I would really be
> > > interested in a scientific definition of "spirit", how it can be
> > > measured and in what units.
> > >
> > > We would have a better chance in keeping this planet going if more
> > > people pulled their heads out of the clouds for a moment and became
> > > more than borderline rational.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > > That would correspond to what Anastasia says in the Ringing Cedar
> > > > Series - it amazes me how much of the unbelievable stuff is written
> > > > in those books that then seem to be scientifically discovered or I
> > > > read articles about...
> > > > Linda
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
> > > > Lawrence London
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013 5:22 AM
> > > > To: permaculture
> > > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Nanotech
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of DNA, is this possible, John D'Hondt?
> > > > The royalty of the kingdom of permalandia may think they have all
> > > > the woo woo but this time even they have been upstaged:
> > > > "Our DNA stores data like a computer’s memory system. Not only that,
> > > > but our genetic code uses grammar rules and syntax in a way that
> > > > closely mirrors human language! They also found that even the
> > > > structuring of DNA-alkaline pairs follows a regular grammar and has
> > > > set rules. It appears that all human languages are simply
> > > > verbalizations of our DNA. Most astounding of all, the team
> > > > discovered that living human DNA can be changed and rearranged with
> > > > spoken words and phrases. The key to changing DNA with words and
> > > > phrases is in using the right frequency. Through the application of
> > > > modulated radio and light frequencies, the Russians were able to
> > > > influence cellular metabolism and even remedy genetic defects. The
> > > > team achieved incredible results using vibration and language. "
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/7278
> > > > Thanks for this link, Koreen. Duke Forest is about twenty miles East
> > > > of my permafarm.
> > > > DF is a large pristine wooded area, bordering streams, with amazing
> > > > willdlife diversity.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, humans can't cooperate and deal with actual bacteria that
> > > > > handles other bacteria. They have to make something artificial that
> > > > > they don't understand and then release it into the environment. I
> > > > > continue to try to understand this perverse need to do broad scale
> > > > > experiments that could affect any and all life forms, so that our
> > > > > socks don't smell as much!
> > > >
> > > > It is easy to understand: follow the trail of unbridled greed and
> > > > obsession with power and control.
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