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["John D'hondt" <dhondt@eircom.net>]

Steven, let me say that I have no interest in putting you down. I have a 
serious interest in the subject though.
I am not too sure what you mean with "not forgeting about the solar plexus" 
in the given context. Do you think that your solar plexus is conscious?
In that case we are using very different definitions of "conscious" and I 
wonder what yours could be.
I'm nearly 60 and I have not ever known my Purkinje- fiber- knot (or solar 
plexus as you call it) to utter any conscious thought. Have hardly noticed 
that it is there. I know it must be there for otherwise I could not slow 
down or speed up my heart rythm consciously which I can.

There are so many wonderfull phenomena in the big wide world. Bacteria and 
other micro organisms have languages (mostly chemical) that they use to talk 
to one another. It is not unlikely that they can ask another species for a 
bit of DNA that will allow them to survive an antibiotic even.

Plants see many more wavelengths of light than we do and react to short 
flashes of certain wavelengths almost as fast as our nerve system reacts to 
a stimulus. Plants hear and feel and have a memory. The scientific research 
has been going on for the better part of 2 centuries. I think the Darwins 
(Charles and son Francis) did a hell of a lot of work on this. Many 
scientific volumes have been filled with the research about this. Some few 
friends of mine did their doctoral thesis on these things. But I have never 
seen anybody use the term "conscious" in connection with this work.

John

> Well thanks for the observation.  Let's hope we don't forget the solar 
> plexus!
> Steven
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of John D'hondt
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:29 PM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Nanotech
>
>
> Science now knows that less than 10% of all our brain activity takes place 
> in the neo-cortex where consciousness lives. 90 % of brain activity is in 
> other areas, our reptilian brain parts, where the sub-conscious lives. Any 
> tale that forgets about the sub-conscious misses a big part of what is 
> going on imo.
> john
>
> > Along the lines of physics as it relates to life/consciousness I just
> > finished a great little book "Stalking The Wild Pendulum" on the
> > mechanics of consciousness by Itzhak Bentov published by Bantam Books.
> > It's is an easy read for those not well greased with a degree in
> > physics yet it is well grounded in science.
> > Steven
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of John
> > D'hondt
> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:52 PM
> > To: permaculture
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Nanotech
> >
> > John D'hondt intended to convey the message that this DNA stuff is no
> > more than word-drivel and definitely not "scientific". And this sort
> > of thing is rife on the net these days.
> > Started to see a documentary the other day that began by explaining
> > that there is no person on earth who knows what "energy" really is.
> > But that instead the "spirit" in the universe is much more important.
> > Well, energy has a scientific definition, it can be exactly calculated
> > and measured in well defined units. I would really be interested in a
> > scientific definition of "spirit", how it can be measured and in what
> > units.
> >
> > We would have a better chance in keeping this planet going if more
> > people pulled their heads out of the clouds for a moment and became
> > more than borderline rational.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > > That would correspond to what Anastasia says in the Ringing Cedar
> > > Series - it amazes me how much of the unbelievable stuff is written
> > > in those books that then seem to be scientifically discovered or I
> > > read articles about...
> > > Linda
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence
> > > London
> > > Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013 5:22 AM
> > > To: permaculture
> > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Nanotech
> > >
> > > Speaking of DNA, is this possible, John D'Hondt?
> > > The royalty of the kingdom of permalandia may think they have all the
> > > woo woo but this time even they have been upstaged:
> > > "Our DNA stores data like a computer’s memory system. Not only that,
> > > but our genetic code uses grammar rules and syntax in a way that
> > > closely mirrors human language! They also found that even the
> > > structuring of DNA-alkaline pairs follows a regular grammar and has
> > > set rules. It appears that all human languages are simply
> > > verbalizations of our DNA. Most astounding of all, the team
> > > discovered that living human DNA can be changed and rearranged with
> > > spoken words and phrases. The key to changing DNA with words and
> > > phrases is in using the right frequency. Through the application of
> > > modulated radio and light frequencies, the Russians were able to
> > > influence cellular metabolism and even remedy genetic defects. The
> > > team achieved incredible results using vibration and language. "
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/7278
> > > Thanks for this link, Koreen. Duke Forest is about twenty miles East
> > > of my permafarm.
> > > DF is a large pristine wooded area, bordering streams, with amazing
> > > willdlife diversity.
> > >
> > > Of course, humans can't cooperate and deal with actual bacteria that
> > > > handles other bacteria. They have to make something artificial that
> > > > they don't understand and then release it into the environment. I
> > > > continue to try to understand this perverse need to do broad scale
> > > > experiments that could affect any and all life forms, so that our
> > > > socks don't smell as much!
> > >
> > > It is easy to understand: follow the trail of unbridled greed and
> > > obsession with power and control.
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