permaculture

[Daniel Jager <dfjager@yahoo.com>]

I do not understand this incessant need to "get the message out". That 
equates in my view with "educate the ignorant masses"!

Who or what educated Bill Mollison? Was it really his university studies? Or 
were it his own observations and experience deep in the forests of Tasmania?

Who educated Fukuoka? Was it not his own observations, his own awareness?

Question is: How can you possibly teach THAT to someone else. I say you can't.

At best, a few students will grasp it, most will just repeat blindly without 
looking, at worst you will get people that jump in and "help organize to 
movement", to "make guidebooks on protocols and standards", etc, and downhill 
from there.


Daniel




> From: ChildrensPeaceGuild <childrenspeaceguild@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Permaculture standards.
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> > Once commercialized will mainstream people think they
> can "do permaculture" and still wear a $5,000 dress?
> 
> That is a non-issue and serves only to distract. If Warren
> Buffet 
> promoted permaculture from within a $20000000 mansion on his
> own 
> tropical isle with a staff of 5000 people, including food
> farmers
> that would be just fine as long as his message was
> consistent with
> the high standards of permaculture maintained by any and all
> with a 
> clear view of what it is all about. Overtly using it to sell
> something 
> non-permaculture related would be unacceptable.
> ?
> You're right. I probably could've worded that better, too.
> My point was that the message "could" be compromised if
> delivered by someone who could not have?made their
> wealth?without violating the earthcare, peoplecare, and
> fairshare ethics. If Warren Buffet promoted permaculture, I
> would support it, but with natural reservations and
> concerns.
> I am all for getting the message out to the populace (after
> all I have taught permaculture in?the public school system),
> by any means necessary.
> ?
> I was wondering how to keep the quality of the standards
> consistent as more varied methods of
> teaching/promoting/selling permaculture are attempted (like
> the permaculture-tour telemarketer, for example). I think we
> can all agree on that point.
> ?
> Thank you for helping me to clarify my concerns.
>