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  • From: Jono Neiger <neiger@csld.edu>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] How to decide?
  • Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 14:49:43 -0400

Thanks Toby-
I think one part Id like to emphasize in the scientific process is the
value of peer review. If you find something in a peer-review journal then
other scientists have reviewed the data/study/paper and it should, most of
the time, be reliable. This is not the case 100% of the time and as Toby
said, use lots of sources.

In my intensive research into the natives-invasives issue I find that many
scientists are beginning to question the inflated claims made against
certain species. Science is slowly breaking through the wall of claims and
rhetoric. The money flowing in certainly makes it harder as scientists do
need funding and do understand whose hand feeds them too.

cheers

Jono

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Jono Neiger
Regenerative Design Group
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Conway School
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On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Amen. As soon as we decide we "know" we risk shutting ourselves off from
> the fruits of further observation. Thanks Toby for clarifying the state of
> mind needed to perceive or observe things that might not agree with one's
> preconceived notions.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: ChildrensPeaceGuild <childrenspeaceguild@yahoo.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2012 4:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] How to decide?
>
> Richard Dawkins said something along the lines of: Scientists are always
> accused (in his case by creationists) of being know-it-alls, when in
> actuality the best scientists are the one who embrace the phrase "I don't
> know." Because that's immediately followed by "let's find out" or "let's
> look into that" or "let's collect more data." The best scientists are the
> ones who are humble, look at all the angles, and are always asking
> questions. In my opinion the best permaculturalists are, too.
>
>
> From: Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2012 11:34 AM
> Subject: [permaculture] How to decide?
>
> We all encounter cases like the one we've been debating here: where both
> sides pull up all sorts of facts and anecdotes to support their position,
> and ask "well, then, explain this one!" of their opponents. It leads to
> going round and round on the facts, and rarely results in changing anyone's
> mind. So how can you decide issues like climate, population, evolution, and
> germ theory?
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